"FORCED to break-the-law!---"Elogs and the Catch 22???"

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  1. stayinback

    stayinback Road Train Member

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    Couldn't have said it much better- thank you- Great Post
     
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  3. Zeviander

    Zeviander Road Train Member

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    What a lot of drivers these days don't realize is that their company is on the hook every time they #### up, often at double the rate the driver gets hit at (or worse). Good companies don't want drivers to get tickets because they get tickets too.

    My company will send out another driver to bring the truck back if a driver runs out of hours on their way back to the yard.
     
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  4. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    That's when its time to find a new job.
     
  5. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    Read my post again.Its not the shippers responsibility to babysit the drivers.Shippers load hundreds of drivers every day its not part of their job description to know the HOS.
     
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  6. STexan

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    The meat and produce brokers and shippers [who typically deal with paper runners] are going to be the ones who hit the biggest wall. They will have to find a way to deal with shippers who routinely miss load times by hours, even days, as well as 5-36 hour weather delays that used to be easily "worked out" by the "super-truckers".

    Paper runners could make up for a lot of shipper and weather delay BS, and still make set delivery appointments. But that will come to a screeching halt pretty soon. I'm going to enjoy listening to all the crying and whining in the beginning.
     
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  7. tman78

    tman78 Medium Load Member

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    Sounds like she's working for a shipper now....she graduated.
     
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  8. tman78

    tman78 Medium Load Member

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    That was then....this is NOW. Get ready for 2018.
     
  9. MysticHZ

    MysticHZ Road Train Member

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    There is no such thing as a an "elog Federal Driving Rule". The are only the HOS rules ... you're in the same spot whether you're on paper or e log. The only thing paper does is give you the 3rd option of falsifying your logs, in addition to violating HOS rules.

    Your friends problem isn't e logs. His problem is he's been too lazy to learn how to properly trip plan and been gun decking his logs as a default.
     
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  10. tman78

    tman78 Medium Load Member

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    Honestly it's going to go back to the way it used to be before deregulation

    Local guys pick up the shipment at the shipper, bring it to the terminal.

    Line haul guys pick up the trailer at the terminal and either drive it to the next terminal or relay it across (meeting another guy) and they drop and hook it across the US. Where the trailer really won't stop except an hour or two, or it gets picked up at the terminal by a team (pretty hard to run out of hours as a team, not impossible but hard) gets run across the country to another terminal and then gets delivered to the recipient by a local guy.

    Remember, the instant you move with the new 2017 elogs it counts as drive time, there is no "moving 1/4 mile business" that works with the current ones. So get to a shipper and they have you sit, and then move the trailer into a dock after 5 hours won't work, your clock will start. it's going to take yard dogs and local guys to do the moving and it will just be drop and hook.

    It should be just as quick, but it's going to put the little guy (with no huge terminals and lots of trucks) pretty close to either out of business or into very specialized freight (which is probably what it's designed to do, follow the money, big companies like it, it's never about safety it's about money).
     
  11. STexan

    STexan Road Train Member

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    The 30 minute break is going to be the biggest bugaboo clogging up trucks stops and fuel lanes mid day. They really need to do way with this, and if they could observe all the BS at truck stops that will double and triple in 2018, maybe the truck stop operators can force the FMCSA to do away with it to give them some breathing room.

    As far as the normal break, it's not like most drivers don't already stop for 8-10 hours per day anyway, paper or not. so I don't see and significant night time changes to the normal cluster-fck we already have.
     
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