FreSH outa SKoolin' from Hagerstown CC... Now need some help picking my first company

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by porkchopz, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. porkchopz

    porkchopz Bobtail Member

    So I am done with school and I am now looking to start with someone after the first of the year... The original plan was for me and my brother to run teams with USX but he is deciding the away time is too much and wants to continue to be home every weekend in exchange for brutal beat downs from DM Bowman... NOT ME!

    So now, kind of last minute, I am trying to make a choice as to where to go for a solo career... I have some apps in at Swift, TMC, Crete and JB Hunt... and may add some more apps this week depending on what I can find. Swift just sent an email saying I can go there and a link with their pay scale... this sliding thing that absolutely scares the bejesus out of me... seems that's too much wiggle room, ya know? JB Hunt's pay doesn't look that great either. Crete seems to be a good choice for pay and so far they are my number 1 and TMC then is number 2... TMC I believe I will fit the bill for all my background and driving record stuff but I have tattoos everywhere and I hear this may be an issue. I know I'm looking at 2 different animals there between the 2 and 2 different worlds completely but my main concern is pay. I was already planning to run teams so I am willing to have less home time than weekly though I think being out a month then home is maybe too much. 2 or 2.5 weeks is pretty good with me and my family as long as I am compensated properly.

    any thoughts or suggestions will be great!

    Here's my run down... I'm 33, in good physical health, will NOT run teams with anyone other than my Brother, I do not mind physical work along with driving, I have had 3 jobs since I was 19, I was diesel Tech for Bowman and have done 100's of Fed DOT truck and trailer inspections, I know there will be little things in this business that drive most nuts but I'm somewhat of a different breed... I'm not looking to get pampered, I'm looking to get paid. And I mean that... I will not be complaining if I cannot have a microwave, or my sleeper is not at 72 degrees when I sleep or whatever else, I'll be just fine as long as the miles are there and the pay is not something that has to be argued over constantly to get what should be coming to me. I want to make the best choice possible here as I plan to stick it out tooth and nail no matter what happens for one year before I go elsewhere, unless of course I decide to stay longer. I currently live in Bunker Hill West Virginia and will be moving to the Morgantown WV area in the Summer and buying my house... So taking the truck home is probably needed as I doubt too many companies have terminals out that way.

    As far as pay concerns go, I know in my first year I will not make a killing but $30k a year for being gone all the time from my children just sounds plain silly to me, which is what I feel in my gut will happen with JBH and Swift... If im at .35cpm with Crete and get 2500 a week... that's 875 a week times 52 weeks... Thats $45.5k a year to start, more like it. I know that can waiver one way or another but it's in the neighborhood. 40-50k makes more sense to me and I am a strong believer that hard work pays off in the end and I will be ok at any decent company.

    O, I have double/Triples, Tankers and as soon as this stupid TSA back ground comes back Ill get that too. I have no issues with getting the TWiC and passport if needed... Thaks for any help in advance!

    Thanks
    Porkchop
     
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  3. boxxxtrucker

    boxxxtrucker Light Load Member

    I really honestly cannot stand people who think they're the exception to the rule. So you'll work hard, big deal! Everyone else will too. We all want the same thing; A decent job that pays well. But guess what, you've got to pay your dues just like everyone else does. I have over a year combined LTL and OTR and I'm still paying dues right there towards the bottom because of how competitive this industry is. You're fresh out of school and already ######## about having to work for a starter company and not making 10 grand a month. Get over it...

    My favorite quote from the first orientation I ever attended at CRST. A student stood up and said; My name is ___. My dad was a trucker for 25 years. I have a CDL A, tankers, hazmat, doubles and triples...and I know absolutely nothing about being a truck driver...
     
  4. porkchopz

    porkchopz Bobtail Member

    l...o...l... I did not once ##### about anything. I am simply stating how I am to calculate my decision. The major calculation being the income... That's it in a nut shell. I will pay my dues but always consider that proper preparation prevents piss poor EVERYTHING. Why pay dues at a company that thinks my dues are worth 10-20k less than another? Makes no sense at all. As far as an exception to the rule sir? I'm not sure of which rule you're speaking but I can promise one thing, I am exceptional. I do know this industry well, but am not a know-it-all kind of guy nor do I think I'm GOD's gift to trucking or anything of that sort. My listing of my experience was simply to help anyone give advice without having to ask questions, not to boast. I know it's hard to read someone's intent, and even harder for one to express their intent with text, but, if my post made you want to respond in a negative manor, you read me, the text, all wrong. Thanks for your input though! Have a good one.
     
  5. NYROADIE

    NYROADIE Heavy Load Member

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    YEAH box, we got the point the first time!


    OP, I think you've got it down to two good choices, and as a happy cretin you know I'm going suggest Crete. I don't remember all the details but
    $150 or so for three days in orintation
    $500 a week while with a trainer ( and no team driveing "training")
    Aprox. .35 cpm with raises in the first yr to .41 at one year.
    I pay $78 a week for family plan BC/BS
    I get vaca pay, but no paid holidays
    I have a dedacaited account so I don't really know what guys are getting for miles.
    Hope this helps.
     
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  6. 900,000-tons-of-steel

    900,000-tons-of-steel Road Train Member

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    You're looking for what everyone else is looking for. You will have to pay your dues but it doesn't have to be all blood and guts. I've managed to do what several told me couldn't be done. I came back to the road after more than 25 years in another career and managed to snag a decent job with decent pay and decent home time. You don't have to get with a major carrier, you don't have to settle for sub par pay and you don't have to eat dirt. That being said, most new drivers will do all of this because they fail to to exercise due diligence and do the necessary research and legwork required. Here is a tip and it's the most valuable tip I can provide. Google "trucking companies" and start there. Make a list of all the ones that sound interesting to you. If it's a mega-carrier, skip it. If it pays in the twenty-some-cents area, skip it. If the company runs you as team-trucking while training, skip it. If a flatbed company wants to pay you in the low thirty-some-cents range, skip it. I found that if you want and expect the best you have to be the best. This means no criminal record (NONE, nothing at all), a clean license (not a single ticket), be in excellent physical health (companies are more apt to hire a non-smoker/non-drinker ... some will argue with this but that's their issue), a professional appearance and a drive to succeed. You are the product and you have to sell yourself. Avoid recruiters like the plague. What they tell you and what you get are not one and the same. If per by chance you do have to deal with a recruiter and they say you will receive x amount of pay and x amount of miles, have them put it in writing. A good way I've managed to get recruiters to do this unwittingly is to ask them to PLEASE send an email detailing what they just told you because you want to have it for your records to compare with other offers and make a sound decision. If they won't send you at least an email affirming what they verbally told you, walk away because they're lying. Look at smaller companies. Find out what they're paying. Deal. I trained for free for a few weeks to show the company owner how serious I was in wanting the position and it was MY idea. Everything depends on how bad you want it and how far you're willing to go to get it. One of the most important things to remember is EVERYTHING is negotiable, even with the mega-carriers. Company reps will tell you, "This is what we pay new drivers." Fine. It's not written in stone and it IS negotiable but you darn well better be the best applicant they've seen or heard from in ages and have something to bargain with.

    Make your list and contact companies every day. There are enough companies out there that you can contact 10 a day for the next month. That should get you an idea of what you want. Forget looking at companies and asking, "Should I apply with them or not?" Realize what type trucking you want to do (Flatbed, reefer, van, tank, LTL, otr, regional, local) and apply to those that accommodate your wants and needs. Look at the mega-carriers and large companies and usual suspects as a LAST result, not first.

    Good luck.
     
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  7. boxxxtrucker

    boxxxtrucker Light Load Member

    I really doubt you're that exceptional. Moreover, everybody else probably thinks they are too. So grab a number and stand in line...

    Word to the wise; Although we rely on each other for livelihood, Diesel Techs and Truckers don't usually get along all that well. You guys tend to over charge us, leave us waiting (which costs us money) and throw us out on the road with equipment that won't work two hundred miles later. Giving yourself the impression that being a former tech means the driving portion of the industry is going to roll out the red carpet for you is setting yourself up for failure. You went to Wyotech...Truly exceptional...
     
  8. porkchopz

    porkchopz Bobtail Member

    @ NYROADIE: Thanks for the input. Your info matches their site pretty much. I was curious though, and plan to ask them as well but that jump from .35 to .41... does it just happen at 1 year or are there, in your case was there, small raises to get there by one year? That isn't clear on their site. I really do like the looks of things there so far. How long did it take you to get that dedicated or did you start out with it? I'd like to work towards that at some point maybe, or at least consider it as an option. Thanks for the input again, nice to talk to a driver with some first hand experience that is making it work for them there. How long have you been with Crete?


    @ 900,000-tons-of-steel: Thanks for all the great advice, it was all taken in! I was definitely, off the bat, thinking that whole super solo thing was not an indication of a company that cared for their drivers in the least. Everything else you said falls into place with my general thought process of it all and so it's nice to see some confirmation to my thoughts. Thanks again!

    @ boxxxtrucker: After your first response I had a good feeling about where I'd put you on my list of people but I always like to give everyone a shot so I replied, nicely and figured most people are good folks, not looking to start trouble for no good reason. Now, after your second response, I know my ability to read people for that list is still pretty darn strong. If you're looking for an arguement you've come to the wrong place fella. I have better things to do but I wish you the best. Peace.
     
  9. boxxxtrucker

    boxxxtrucker Light Load Member

    No argument here. But if you think you're better than everyone else and don't feel you have to pay your dues because you were an overpaid diesel tech then you open yourself up to critique. You're not special dude; sit down, shut up, hold the wheel for a starter company for a year, then go be a super trucker somewhere else. Peace...
     
  10. ColoradoGreen

    ColoradoGreen Heavy Load Member

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    Back off the guys back, Boxxxtrucker, you don't know him. Some of his speculation and hope might be a little naive and a little too generous, but, if he can keep that sort of excitement, work ethic, and attitude up then he can go far in this industry.

    Nobody likes working with someone who's only goal is to put someone down, and don't try to pass it off as "giving him the real deal".

    A lot of people enter this industry with a good work ethic, but, the problem comes when they start having an attitude towards the people they're dealing with. I don't care how competent you are, if you're an ### that no one wants to work with, you're going to lose work.

    And, if you don't like a dieseltech's work, get under the hood yourself.

    To the OP: I highly doubt you'll get 40K out of your first year. Yes, the math holds up, but, chances are you won't work 52 weeks straight, and freight will ebb and flow throughout the year. Factors such as where you're getting sent can also effect your pay, and remember, not all miles are necesarilly paid.

    But, you have the right attitude of wanting to work hard, everything else, let it go, don't tell people you're "exceptional", just do your work and work well with other's. And put your schooling to work, don't become one of these steering wheel holders who needs a service truck call because the glad-hand rubber won't seal properly.
     
  11. spacetrucker88

    spacetrucker88 Heavy Load Member

    since you don't like Bowman did you try Hoffman they used to be almost all teams?
     
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