Full load, grades, no engine brake

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by J Man, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. Tonythetruckerdude

    Tonythetruckerdude Crusty Deer Slayer

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    Of course he is sure , there rockee. Just like losttrucker , after 9 years and 4 years a total of 13 years between them....they both know more about the transportation industry than you or I do in our combined 51 years...but we are just "old timers" that don't accept change. We should just be put out to pasture because the ways that we learned and used no longer work. ( I guess I missed the memo when the laws of physics were changed). Instead of showing any class and maturity, let alone respect for another mans experience all they know is the book says it...so it has to be true......
     
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  3. okiedokie

    okiedokie Road Train Member

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    The whole idea of power braking is to keep traction while going down hill. The Interlock helps. You get on a steep enough grade in soft conditions and start braking only you will get wheel hop and then your scrwd same goes with the Jake. So brake application and powering up keeps the truck rolling with power to the drivers and stretching the truck also so no jackknife. The point is steady brake application is the only way to descend these types of grades.
     
  4. rocknroll81

    rocknroll81 Road Train Member

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    After reading your posts and on how you structure yourself it's sad to say that you have proven' to be far from a skillfull and experienced driver, but just another internet troll on this website. I will never lower myself to your level and this will be my last post to you...............
     
  5. rocknroll81

    rocknroll81 Road Train Member

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    I agree with you 100%, thats the whole issue on this thread,about controlled heat build up and controlled heat released but you try to tell the new breed with there noses stuck in books writen' by people that have never been there. What's that saying? book smart, livin' life stupid. It's sad to say that the new breed does not realize that we were new breeders back in the day and we learned from < those ol'timers> plus i also read a book when i went to a diesel acadamy back in '78 so it seems that there will alway be arguments between ol' timers and new breeders because of ignorance and lack of common sense that the new breed have which the current industry is full of. and it's not just trucking, it's the whole gammot out here................
     
  6. rocknroll81

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    This is why on my reply to losttrucker he acts more like a troll then a driver. he has no class, respect, or mature enough to understand that my first reply i said both braking methods are equal, never that one was better then another, with the hatred attitude that he has it shows that he has no respect for himself let alone for another driver. off cource he does not know me so he does not realize that i have been useing elogs, prepass, ipass and all the other so called new advances in trucking before he even started to drive, if he is even a driver. but hey let him rant, we know better.................
     
  7. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    I have 5 things in Strager's statement which i feel warrant a reply.

    Here i would argue that if you used 1 gear lower then the one you would have used,you hardly would have needed to use your brakes.

    Stranger,you have used equipement most off your career designed by men (or women :biggrin_25525: ) that have never driven that same equipement.
    Yet you put your life in their design.
    Simply saying that because they wrote it on paper doesn't mean that is bad.


    Firstly,since when has somebody's sleep dictated the way you go down a grade?
    I was under the impression that safety was the most important in any deciscions made? :biggrin_25513:

    Secondly,where does it say that when you snub brake you had to push the pedal every few seconds?
    I would say that ,when snubbraking,you have push the brakepedal every few seconds you are going to fast in too high a gear.


    This is the only part off your statement we will both agree on.:yes2557:
     
  8. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    Some want to turn this debate into a fight between older and newer drivers.
    I was taught by an old timer.:biggrin_25514:
    Going down a grade while braking all the way would be one off the worst sins you could do in his eyes.
    Snubbraking wasn't invented in the 80's,it was used a longtime before that.
    So pls don't say that all oltimers advocate the same braking technique.:biggrin_25513:
     
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  9. Giggles the Original

    Giggles the Original Road Train Member

    omgosh....this thing has BRAKES????? sorry i was too busy texting and reading my GPS...it told me the grade was 7 miles ahead....right before that low bridge....:biggrin_25521:
     
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  10. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    To any newbee's/wanabee's reading this thread i would like to impresse the need to be carefull.
    No system is foulproof and misstakes are punished 200% when going down a grade.
    I think that this is something which both parties in the snubbraking vs slightpressure debate can agree on.:biggrin_25524:


    And remember,you might think you have all bases covered,life can throw you a curveball.

    Lets say you are a supertrucker,you can go down a grade like a rocket without smoking your brakes.
    But they are running at their maximum temperature.
    And you do this because you are allways short on time.
    Then you suddenly see somebody has crashed 200feet in front off you.
    What happens then?
    Simple................you crash also.
    Why?
    Because you have no margin left.
    You ran your brakes at their maximum so you have nothing left to bring you to a stop in time.

    There are 2 things to remember out off this:

    Don't run your brakes at 100%.
    Allways have a safetymargin.
    So that when someting happens or you make a misstake,you have enough stopping power left to adjust to it.

    The second thind is never drive faster then you can see.
    Taking a curve on a grade without being able to see past that curve makes you a gambler not a driver.
    Only you are gambling with peoples lives,including your own.

    They were taught to me by an oldtimer.:biggrin_25514:
     
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