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Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Mike_MD, Dec 23, 2009.

  1. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Well the year is over for me, I check my Blackberry for important messages but aside from that I’m out of the office until 01/04/2010.

    While reflecting on the last compliance review I thought I’d share some items that may prove helpful to business owners and drivers.

    First for companies:

    Supporting documentation is a crucial element to a review of the HOS. It is imperative that companies retain fuel receipts, J-1’s, bills of lading, toll receipts, daily fuel summaries from corporate fuel cards, and drivers’ reports identifying what they’ve done.

    Since carriers receive the toll receipts separately they must store them separately by driver or vehicle. The courts have already ruled on the issue ruling the tolls must be kept by driver or vehicle:

    http://www.transportationlaw.net/articles/jan01article.htm



    http://www.bpmlaw.com/portals/15/Documents/Hot_Recent_Cases_0902.pdf



    For carriers that use factoring companies you must retain a photo copy of the bill of lading. A load confirmation sheet is not a bill of lading:



    Any violation of this part would most likely be cited under Part 395.8 for failing to retain supporting documentation.

    Failing to retain supporting documentation is equal to failing to retain the drivers’ logs. Both have a negative impact on the carrier’s rating.

    Modification of supporting documents falls under part 390.35:



    Drivers that believe they’re sly because they white out the time stamp, or use their cigarette to burn a hole in the bill of lading where the time stamp was have guaranteed their employer an “acute” violation and a 99% chance of a notice of claim from the FMCSA. Congress chastised the FMCSA for not taking enforcement action on acute violations; it is now policy enforcement is initiated for any acute violation as listed in Part 385 Appendix B.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348002436c



    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/rulemakings/notices/E9-7057-Supplemental-Policy-on-Assessing-Maximum-Fines-under-MCSIA-of-1999-Section-222-3-30-09.htm

    False logs are a “critical” violation of the FMCSR. Your best bet is honesty; if you must cheat then don’t alter the supporting document. You may find yourself unemployed.

    Second for drivers:

    I was reading Transport Topics and came across an article on CSA 2010. The article mentioned that drivers who failed to notify their home state in writing of any CMV conviction would have “6” points awarded on their CSA 2010 score.

    A check of the FMCSA’s web site revealed the statement as true:



    The above was printed on page A-11 on the document available on-line at:

    http://csa2010.fmcsa.dot.gov/Documents/SMSMethodologyVersion1_2Final_2009_06_18.pdf



    I suppose the short of it is, notify your home state of any convictions.

    Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

    Be safe.
     
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  3. Rollover the Original

    Rollover the Original Road Train Member

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    I can hardly believe this crapola! Back in 2002 the US Government passed a freaking law that all states had to send all CMV violations to the home state of the driver or the licensing state. I know because just after the law went into effect my CDL was suspended for the 3 15 MPH tickets and above rule for 90 days for the first offense.

    Now the DRIVER also has to tell his home state? WTF is this? We now have to tell on ourselves because states are to stupid or slow (spelled California!) to send the information to the licensing state by internet after the offense has been tried in court?

    Thank GOD I'm now medically unable to drive trucks any more! This is getting insane! But forced retirements bites too!

    This is such a wonderful Christmas present for drivers !

    Oh, Merry Christmas to all!
    Rollover
     
  4. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    So now my employer, and ME. Have to worry about the weather. What else can they find to penalize us for ???? Enough already with this BS !!!!

    Many of my bills and toll receipts rely on HEAT TRANSFER to print. Lay em on the dash in direct sunlight, or with the defroster on. You have a black document.

    Toll receipts are printed on STATE issued paper. So who takes the blame for flawed paper work here. I say this to head of any "authoritative" answer leading to "Make the shipper use proper paper."

    Of course, it's going to be the drivers fault....again. Since he didn't store all his heat sensitive documents in a cooler.

    When does the BS ever end ???

    Who the hell can I complain to about NOT being provided proper documentation from a STATE RUN toll both that accepts exact change...and gives NO receipt ??? Who's gonna check those ????

    All I can say, is after over 20 years of this BS...day in and day out. I have just about had enough.

    I feel like have the letters ATM tattooed on my forehead, with a keypad tattooed on my ###.
     
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  5. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Much of the intent here was to make it harder to get away with falsifying logs. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, sometimes the cure causes worse trouble than it fixes, that seems to be how life works in many regards.

    My thought is this, since eobr devices should prevent log falsification, why aren't they pushing them instead of the administrative approach.
    I think there is something being withheld from us.:biggrin_2551:
     
  6. Rollover the Original

    Rollover the Original Road Train Member

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    That's why I always put paperwork in the trip pak or an envelope as soon as I get in the truck! Murphy's Law says that any paperwork put on the dash or pocket or floor will get lost or screwed up! I do it the same way every time!

    As soon as my but hits the seat I fill out what ever paper work that needs to be done and the receipt is put in the proper place! Even at the fuel island! Now toll tickets are a different story. They go on the windshield mounted clip board until I hit my next stop then they are done correctly!

    These new rules will have drivers figuring out that paper work needs to be protected. I just hope they try to do it "my way" because for the past 20 years when I finally figured out where I was screwing up I no longer wound up with lost or missing paperwork that cost ME money instead of putting the money where it belonged, in my pocket! Well except for a bottom feeder company out of Olathe, KS who could loose select paper work out of a trip pack!

    I also make copies of EVERY piece of paper that goes through my hands on my laptop for those just in case "it got lost" problems! And especially those heat printed receipts. They fade in about a year any way and that's kind of hard to file on when tax time rolls around!
     
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  7. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    You're correct something is being withheld. Namely, a way to prevent collection of additional fines. If you cut the source off, what's left?

    But as you've noticed, MANY companies are going to electronic logs in 2010. They can't afford not to. By the time the FED jumps back into the race, we'll have 20 varieties of software. And then they'll tell us that the only one allowed, is the NEW one from some brain dead cousin of some Senator. That no one has even tested/used.
     
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  8. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Exactly my point. You're screwed even if you did scan them. Maybe not with your employer....but try that with certian Federal Employees, and see how far it gets you.

    You're required to keep documents that are tax related for 7 years...even longer if they "find" a discrepancy. Whoopeee ! Blank pieces of paper is all you have besides your scanned documents, and the Tax man wants those %^##$ originals NOW !!

    Cha-Ching $$$$$$$$
     
  9. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Thanks for the good laugh, and probably something like that will happen. We are supposed to run and log legal per company directive, but I can't get a direct answer in plain English without being told by a raging alcoholic dispatcher/safety officer/head of the company, that I'm being childish and all I do is complain. It seems that other people would rather run illegal and lower authorities are supporting them in this.

    I can't wait for eobrs at this point if I keep working there and due to some idiot's death wish, I don't have much choice.
     
  10. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Good lord, what insanity will these gooberment idiots think up next?

    So if I get a ticket in my pickup going to town to buy a pack of Charmin extra soft that goes against me in points on the CSA2010???? and I have to notify my state licensing agency of it too???????? or that goes on my CSA2010?????

    My license is up for renewal in less than 2 months. I just might drop the whole stupid CDL thing all together. I already am going to have to let the Haz endorsement go, I don't have the rapist fee to pay for another back ground check.
     
  11. lonewolf4ad

    lonewolf4ad Road Train Member

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    I am already looking at getting out from behind the wheel and moving my license from CDL to a class C again. This BS is getting insane. I'd rather work as a telemarketer or phone tech support than put up with these regs that are coming up.
     
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