Galaxy dx 98vhp swr problem

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by crazydually, Mar 3, 2011.

  1. crazydually

    crazydually Bobtail Member

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    Ok this is my prob, i just purchased the 98vhp and had a new antena installed since im in a pete 379 and the stock mounts are crap, well after everything was installed we where getting about 1.4 to 1.5 swr on the meter but when the 98 was connected it read around 2, we hooked two other radios up and got the 1.5 reading and even changed the antena tree times and now got a k40 fiberglass stick that seems to be good but now when i dead key i get 1.5 but blow into the mic and it jumps to 2 or 2.5 and doesnt go back down, i checked with my old radio a galaxy 959 and the swr is still good on it, could it be i have a bad meter in the 98 or is the radio faulty, it may be to new for anyone to have any reviews but i thought if anyone can shed some light on my problem it would be on the internet, oh and by the way the antena is mounted on the back faring bolted to the joint half way down since i dont have a grab bar.
     
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  3. Mad Dog 20/20

    Mad Dog 20/20 Heavy Load Member

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    You would be better off using an external SWR meter.
     
  4. WA4GCH

    WA4GCH Road Train Member

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    Try this ......

    Borrow ( or steal ) a good SWR meter ...

    IF it agrees with your 98's meter what MAY be wrong is your radio is puting out harmonics ....

    TO check for this borrow ( or steal ) a good low pass filter put it on the OUTPUT of the radio with the SWR meter on the antenna side of the filter if the SWR goes down thats your problem .....
     
  5. crazydually

    crazydually Bobtail Member

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    OK, and if it is harmonics is that a radio problem or just a setup problem and do I need to fix this or am I safe to let it ride. I do get alot of feedback in my radio speakers, so much that I really dont need to use my talkback cause it comes through the stereo.
     
  6. handlebar

    handlebar Heavy Load Member

    CD,
    If the low pass filter indicates you're putting out harmonics, then it's a fault in the radio. When a proper alignment (tuneup) is done with an oscilloscope, voltmeter, and spectrum analyzer, the tech makes sure that all of the power being produced is actually on the band (27 MHz) that it's intended for. Most radios have what's called a "TVI trap" or a "54 MHz trap" which has to be tuned with a spectrum analyzer. You'll notice that 54 Mhz is two times 27 MHz, and is right where analog TV Channel 2 sits. The adjustment looks like any other coil near the final stage, and a butcher CB shop, that has only a wattmeter and tunes for maximum "feel good watts" will tune that trap like any other coil, i.e., for maximum indicated power. The *right* way is to look at the output on a spectrum analyzer set to 54 MHz and tune for minimum signal at that frequency.
    It's that signal, the second harmonic of 27 MHz (2 times 27), plus any others (third harmonic = 3 times 27 = 81 MHz; fourth harmonic = 4 times = 108 MHz) that a low pass filter is made to keep from going to your wattmeter -- and your antenna.
    But wattmeters are dumb, so any watts the radio makes will show up, never mind that it's interfering with television, FM radio, or VHF aviation beacons.
    At the same time, wattmeter SWR bridges are trying (badly) to show you the antenna's efficiency at all the frequencies your radio is putting out. Your antenna will not work at 54 or 108 very well at all, and the SWR bridge will show that as a high SWR. The antenna will work somewhat at 81 MHz (even though you don't want it to).
    So, like Bruce said, a quick check of any tech's work is to put a low pass filter between your radio's output and your outboard SWR bridge. If the SWR gets better, your radio needs to get tuned by someone who's competent AND has the necessary gear to populate his service bench.
    FWIW, I always have a low pass filter on the output of any CB or HF rigs I run at the house and vehicle. Good ones are not expensive, especially on eekBay, and they're just good engineering practice anyway.
    Hope that helps,
    -- Handlebar --
     
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  7. Mr. PlumCrazy

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    You Cant set the swr with a high power radio
     
  8. Mad Dog 20/20

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  9. WA4GCH

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    AGREE why not
     
  10. crazydually

    crazydually Bobtail Member

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    well i was told I will blow out my mosfets if my swr's are to high and this radio has 8, that gets a little expensive at $25 a peice and then labor cost, but on back to what handlebar said, I agree with everything you just said and it makes perfect sense with what is going on, the shop I bought it from apeared to be equiped with all the equipment to tune and they talked a good game, now here is another wrench into the sprockets, until I can get to another cb shop I went and bought a inline swr meter and hooked it up, now my swr's are a 1 on both meters (inline and radio), Is the meter acting like a filter or did the extra line and meter bring down the swr's, im still getting out good and receiving good just hope im not fooling the meters to think its low, any thoughts.
     
  11. Mr. PlumCrazy

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    Because the meter in the radio will give you a false reading. Using a radio to set the SWR is not a true reading anyway and the extra power in high power radios will only make the reading worse the only true way to adjust the SWR is with a true SWR meter
     
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