Gear ratio over drive or direct for heavy haul up to 110K?

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  1. Nick34

    Nick34 Light Load Member

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  3. Humblepie

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    I will say that I care about fuel economy, I would love to see six. I just don’t place it at the top. My truck is 12 years old and pushing 800,000 miles. That’s 12 years and 800,000 miles of oversized freight. Will your new truck with new specs last that long? IDK, but it’s a question to ponder
     
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  4. Nick34

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    I agree crazy low rpms as in lugging an engine dont work with heavy weight I never run over 60 and with the 264 with lp22.5 tires my rpm will be 1350 and Detroit is telling me that's to high. They would rather see me at a 247 with a rpm of 1270 at cruising speed to me that sounds like it will lug
     
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    When I ran a six axle I got close to 6 with a mechanical cat. With 3.90 rears. I get 4.5 with the current setup. If you are doing 4 there is more going on
     
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    Yes it may wear the drive line out sooner that yours but I have 5 years warranty if anything were to happen and after 5 years I'll trade it in and still get a decent resale value. I will not run a new emmison engine with out warranty
     
  7. johndeere4020

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    RPM’s to high at cruising speed is down the list of importance, way down. You’ll have a truck that’ll cruise fine on flat ground but we’ll see how it does pulling 5% with 120,000+ or more importantly how it lifts off in soft ground with that much weight.
     
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    I’m with ya, I’ve been told to let her pull way down and pull. For me it seems like it pulls better revved up.
     
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  9. Humblepie

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    I don’t know about Detroit, but Cummins even recommends higher rpm for pulling higher weights. Trucks and truck engines haven’t really changed. They claim lower rpm because they are running 5 to 600hp and 2050 ftlbs to pull >80k. Once you get to any real weight they recommend doing things the old way. People leave that part out.
     
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    Couple inches of soft mud on a slight incline. PING!!! Goodbye driveshaft!
     
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  11. Nick34

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    You are right on that when you sink In a bit of mud it takes alot to torque to get out of that. I just spoke with the Detroit rep on the phone he's now recommending a 3 25 ratio with a single overdrive dt12 transmission he said the direct drive is not designed for anything over 80 000 pounds
     
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