Getting axles to scale

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  1. Big Road Skateboard

    Big Road Skateboard Road Train Member

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    I get what you're saying now. I've never worried about that. Maybe I should
     
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  3. rch10007

    rch10007 Medium Load Member

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    I can't tell if your 5th wheel is adjustable, but I'd remove that toolbox and slide the trailer up onto the tractor a little more. Hauling more weight over the rear axles makes you feel like your dragging an anchor.
     
  4. kwswan

    kwswan Road Train Member

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    There are some states that will weigh each trailer axle and write you up for a axle being overweight.
     
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  5. kranky1

    kranky1 Road Train Member

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    Read the wording of the regs. They’re single axles. You get up to 20k apiece, not 40k on the pair. If you’re 40k on the pair on one of those trailers you’re fat on one of them, I’d almost guarantee it. I had a 48’ 10’1” here for a while. Out of 7 tractors in the yard not one of them could load the forward axle to 20k without putting at least 23k on the back. I get the idea for loading big coil on US weight. Bias it to the rear and if you miss by a couple of inches you’re still ok on the back. Just seemed like a ridiculous amount of tire wear for nothing to me. I can put 37,400 on a 54” tandem here.
     
  6. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    It seems a touch counter-intuitive, but moving the boards (or adding boards in more places) doesn't change the weight distribution of the load on the trailer. Yes, moving the board forward puts more of that board's weight onto the 5th wheel, but it also reduces the percentage of the load weight that board is carrying. Only moving the load will change the trailer's weight distribution.

    @Lazer 's post encouraged me to dust off my 25 year-old statics skills, and do the math. Moving the load that 1 1/2' forward will only move about 1700#, so not enough to help you if load 50 footers. You need to get that front trailer axle to carry more of the load.

    The problem is the arch of the trailer causes the front airbags to extend too far. When that happens, they have a smaller area to push against than the rear bags, so the same pressure in each results in differing loads on the air springs. I've never pulled a spread so I've not done it, but it always looked to me like there should be a spacer for the front bags so that both sets of bags were operating at the same height from piston to top plate. That should ensure both axles of the spread were carrying the same load. Double check and make sure there's only one height control valve, too. If there's a valve on each axle (uncommon) it can cause this imbalance.

    EDIT: Almost forgot to add, make sure the truck suspension height is correct. If it's a touch high, it exacerbates the overextension of the front bags.
     
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  7. FLHT

    FLHT Road Train Member

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    They will also ticket you for the unsecured wood between the landing legs.
     
  8. W Bench Farms

    W Bench Farms Light Load Member

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    It's secure. Has straps in between the legs holding everything in.
     
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  9. W Bench Farms

    W Bench Farms Light Load Member

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    Thanks for all of the replies.

    A couple of things I've been thinking about from the suggestions. Front trailer axle has 2" plastic spacers on top of the air bags. Only one leveling valve. Suspension on the truck was reset when I replaced the leveling valve not too long ago.

    Will moving the fifth wheel forward just move more weight from the drives to the steer axle, or will it move some of the weight from the trailer to the truck? I want to think that it won't move any weight off the trailer but not 100% convinced.

    I stacked 2 4x4's on the back of the trailer, 1 in the middle and 1 at the front. Someone mentioned that this may throw some weight forward. However, back in my racecar days we would block springs to make them pull more weight to a corner. Not sure if this is the same principle.

    If I haul 50' beams they'll sometimes have shorter ones mixed on the load. Going to make sure I move them forward and not load in the middle. I'm always curious to hear stories about loading trailers that anyone else may have.
     
  10. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    Make sure the trailer ride height isn't too high, as well.
    In a perfect world, it should have zero effect. In reality, if there's any change in 5th height from the slide, it could change how much weight that front axle of the trailer is carrying. It won't be much, but there may be slight changes.
    It's not. You're changing spring rates in the racecar. Changing the height of the load above the deck has little effect. You have to move the cg of the load, and you'd have to raise the rear several feet to move the cg forward more than fractionally.
     
  11. rch10007

    rch10007 Medium Load Member

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    Moving the 5th wheel forward adds weight to the drives and the front axle (not much to the front unless improperly loaded). Personally, if I need to adjust mine, it’s about 500lbs per notch and each hole on my trailer is worth about 250lbs. To me, it looks like your trailer isn’t riding up on your tractor enough. Sliding the 5th wheel will remove weight from the trailer.
     
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