Getting the Employment Record of a Deceased Individual

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by FrancisTRocha, Oct 4, 2023.

  1. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Also, when someone dies, not everyone or any co. is aware of it. Social security is informed, and his bank if he has one. This is done by the funeral parlor. So, any employers will have his info as if he's still alive. The funeral parlor or the county if he has a paupers funeral, works with the county who issues the death certificate. I've looked up old friends from years back and found out they passed
     
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  3. Pepper24

    Pepper24 Road Train Member

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    Yeah they do it everyday with your signed permission. I personally wouldn’t want anyone just handing out my personal information to anyone just asking for it. The poster can make for a emotional story but reason for wanting it still makes no sense.So if you want to allow emotions to make decisions I hope you’re never in charge of others personal information that you think it’s perfectly okay to just hand out to anyone calling 4it
     
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    His family is trying to find out where he's been all those years. Family probably in Germany. A private detective can find out easily, but that's expensive.
     
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    FrancisTRocha Bobtail Member

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    Signed permission is allowed, and the topic line makes it clear it's about someone who is deceased. Family signed consent and death certificate are no problem. I'm not trying to swindle anyone here, lol
     
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  6. Ridgeline

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    Contact a legitimate investigation firm, the cost may be around $6,000 to find actual employment dates and companies.

    Most likely you there will be a lot of pushback from the company, all they are legally obligated to do without a court order is confirm someone worked for them and that's it.

    But there is a fundamental question, why would you need his "work" records?
     
  7. FrancisTRocha

    FrancisTRocha Bobtail Member

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    So, I'm happy to share a bit of information. I work as an attorney and I come from an investigative background (I know work in the non-profit sphere). While I do not have P.I. license, a private detective is simply a civilian who happens to be a good detective or more-oft than not comes from a LE background can adeptly navigate an investigation. I have confirmed his employer and employment dates. You are absolutely correct that a company has no legal obligation to share an employment file. Which is why I'm asking the question here, because you folk are experts in this field and I figured maybe someone knew a good tact to approach this.

    The reason why his employment, and more specifically his application packet is wanted is because the gentleman in question was an identity thief who abandoned multiple families, came to the States, adopted a false identity and somehow earned his CDL and worked as a trucker. We've been able to trace his living situation across the country in some time periods, even able to confirm a stint of homelessness on the west coast. But there is a huge gap in the years before he suddenly appeared as a working CDL driver. There is a desire to find out where he was living or previously working at the time. I'm not looking for personal identifying information or SSNs or anything private.
     
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    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Just a question, if he's dead and gone, does it make a big difference where he lived and what dates he lived there etc ? Or are you looking for birth kids who are alive that he fathered ?
     
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    OK, I am a little hard on people who claim to be attorneys, so are you one or work as one, if you are one you will understand why I ask.

    Well here may be an answer to your inquiry.

    First, a few here don't understand the record retention requirements of the FMCSA, and it sometimes is puzzling to see some of the answers I have seen. This isn't a reflection of anyone.

    Second the regulations (49 CFR 391.53), which you should be aware of are simple to understand. Many like me call the driver's records package the 'drivers jacket' and abide by the rules, meaning we carriers have to retain the records from application to three years past the separation date. Many go way beyond this but some the second that they can purge their records do so, and this sometimes makes employee verification difficult, it not impossible.

    So here is an additional obstacle to your journey, if the person worked locally or for a third party as a temp, the temp agency would not have to retain the records more than the state requirement, and the FMCSA regs do not apply. There are many ways to layer this in order to drive a truck legally but without the need for record retention. Employment records can also be fudged, as you should know, many of these "white Volvo" companies do not keep much in records, many of them are in states that still have a high corruption rate and a few I know claimed they paid off people to get by.
     
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  10. Pepper24

    Pepper24 Road Train Member

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    Not sure what lol has to do with you wanting to know how to get someone’s personal information?If you already know where this person worked which it sounds like you do why do you need that company to send you information saying he worked there?How does that in anyway satisfy a family member.The whole story makes no sense this guy moves here fraudulently changes his name that brings up the question if you could find him while using a fake name why are you concerned about where he worked if you were smart enough to track down someone using a fake name from a different country but you need proof of what trucking company he works for.It doesn’t make sense . I never accused anyone of swindling your mind went there why is it if someone thinks your personal information should be protected by companies that are trusted with it you think that’s ridiculous or lol
     
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    Pepper24 Road Train Member

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    They were able to find someone that was using a fake name .How do have the ability to do that but not the ability to find out the rest why would you need an employment record. I really just don’t understand how people think. I never accused anyone of anything but I don’t think anyone without my knowledge and permission should hand out anyone’s personal info.If this person story is true pay a attorney they will tell you how to go about it.I mean you found someone that moved to different country using a fake name and where he worked what other information you need should be easy
     
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