Going to train # c r england....advice??

C.R. England's reputation is bad because of their actions (and content of their collective character), and it will take decades to repair. Nothing you post here will change that.

 

I'll work retail before I drive for CR England. I have spoken to many drivers who say the training is subpar (last I heard its two trainees per truck) and the lease program sucks. There are a few success stories. The recruiters are paid to bring butts in and get paid on how many students go through. Just like any other big company.

If you drive for them and are doing good, I am happy for you and commend you. I have just seen too many broken hearts on here to recommend them. Good luck.

KH

 

Move on? Many are too broke to go anywhere except under a overpass to live after going there. Myself I have what is called a conscious and try to offer good advice. Not offer advice to where the odds are more likely someone will end belly up and broke than squeak by and make it.

 

That may be the case, but instead of acting like someone else will have the same misfortune as others have is not the way to go about it. As ive said before, it cant possibly be England's fault for every person who has came through their doors lookin for a job that didnt turn out successful. I just have a very hard time believing that cuz we're makin it work. Even when I was forced to drive by my self when my wife had to stay at home for medical reasons, I still made it work. I was harder than hell, but I made it happen.

And no, I'm not trying to change whatever happened in the past.

So, this is just my assumption(I hate usin that word but I have no choice) but you've never worked for england, corect?? I dont care how many people youve "spoken" to but apparently, you spoke to the wrong ones. But whatever, if you wanna base your opinion on a company simply what other unnsuccessful people have said, then be my guest. I really couldnt care less if you or any other person go to England lookin for a job cuz quite frankly, the less people that apply there means more money for me.

Again, thats not a very good attitude to have, but suit yourself. You wanna know something about somebody or something, talk to the people who know what they're doing and are doing things right before you form an opinion. Thanks for the gesture, but I dont need your "God speed" speech. Not tryin to be an a z z, but dont treat this like I'm taking a moral risk by leasing with England.

Yeah, and those "many" probly shouldnt be running their own business. Those "many" probly took way too much hometime or decided to lease by themselves with the notion that they could slack off and still think they can make ends meet. Those "many" probly pissed off their dm by refusing loads and having too many late loads. These are just my guesses as I have no exact reasons why it didnt work out for them but from what ive heard, they werent exactly the "model" truckdrivers.

But thats fine, whether you have worked for England or not, go ahead and keep telling people to stay away from England. Maybe these are people who shouldnt be driving truck anyays. Heck, you might just prevent me from having to save a load from one of these people because they dont have the smarts God gave a goose to properly trip plan.

 

Do you really think that you are running your own business?

I guess P.T. Barnum was right.


Yeah .... to all you folks who are considering CRE - ignore the plethora of internet postings about how the company operates. I mean you'll never know until you try right? Could be just the place for you right?

Or take the thinking mans approach and run like heck away from them.


Anyway ... so uh Mr. Businessman.... what's your operating cost per mile? and who did you purchasde your tractor from?..... how much did it cost you when you got your authority? Do you own your trailer or lease it?

Just wonderin'


........... Jim


and BTW no, I've never driven for CRE. I've never poked myself in the eye with a sharp stick to see if it would hurt either.

 

Not sure what the dude that basically started the Barnum and Bailey circus has to do with this discussion, but yeah, I really think i am running my own business. I may not own the truck or the trailer, but it is a business.

Hell, ya never know........

People say a lot of things. Does that always make it true?? If 500 people say lightning struck that tree over there 5 minutes after it actually did, you gonna just automatically believe them?? What if ONE person said that they saw it strike 5 minutes before what everybody else says it did? Just because he's one person vs. 500 that the 500 are right??

Explain to me how this is the "thinking man's approach"???? I now know of two people that have never worked for England and they already act like they know everything there is to know simply on what they have heard. The REAL "thinking man's approach" would be to talk to the people who do make it work.

Oh gee, here we go again......... One more person asking me to reveal my numbers as if they dont want to believe me when I say I'm doing pretty good....... Ive already gave my numbers once but even then, when I clearly wrote the word ORANGE, they still saw the word PURPLE so whats the use in going over it again??

Hardly the same thing, bud.

So, you honestly think you can form a valid opinion about something that you know nothing about except from what you've heard from other people???? Gee, Ive never worked for Swift, Werner, Shneider, Covenant or any other company for that matter, but that still doesnt give me the right to judge them based on what someone else has said. Its about time people like you start doing the same.

 

The only way to make money in one of those leases is to run team with a spouse, which is sounds like you are doing. Other than that it is a crap shoot, you may get lucky and get the miles you need on a consistent basis or you may not.
Many better choices out there though. I have talked to way too many former CRE drivers to take the word of one for the outcry of many.
Plus as I said, you are working as a team not solo.
Still, at the end of your lease, 3 years or whatever it is, average out your net pay each over that time. It will probably be less each than I make a year as a company driver, and I have no over head or liability.
This is accounting for no major accidents or mechanical issues. In which case you will make less.

As a training company I tend to push new drivers away from them due to the fact that they push the fleece so hard. New drivers do not know enough about the industry to make a real informed choice. It takes years to do that.

 

Im sure there are better choices but for people just starting out, the options are limited or so it seems. I dunno, we probly coulda went with a different company, but I dont think England is as bad as most people claim.

These former drivers you talked to; Did their "sob" story seem to hold water? The people I have talked to didnt in my opinion.

Im sure you probly do make more than we do as a company driver because you have alot more experience under your belt. For us, its way less than two years from I have heard, is the bare minimum for most of the better paying companies.

You're right, they push the lease program pretty hard, but maybe we just got lucky with having our questions answered properly by the right people and got a good DM.

Again, Im not saying England is perfect, but they have been good to us and when I put up my defense, its not to protect England, its more/less to state the fact that we arent rich, never were, and we are making work. Its paying our bills and after we get done with this lease, we will be debt free. We dont plan on stayin with them forever, simply because I think companies like England are more centered on new drivers. Once this lease is up and after we take a break, hopefully we can get on with a company that will pay more than they do since we will have close to 4 years worth of experience to bargain with.

 

........Jim

 

So after you make all those payments...Will you own the truck?
No.
Will you have anything to show for it besides lower than average driver wages?
No.
Will you own your business?
No.
Are you allowed to run the way YOU want to?
No.
Is your truck governed?
Of course it is...Because it's NOT YOUR TRUCK!

You are a company driver that has fallen for the most obvious scam in the trucking industry...The LEASE OP FRAUD!
What you will have accomplished will be to pay for the truck for the theives at CR England while earning very little for yourself.
You scoff at those of us who have been out here for years and you think you have a clue about the business but you have been out here for "1 year" according to your info and I can assure you that most of us that have been out here for many years thought we had all the answers when we were out here for "1 year".

When my truck payments ended...I got the title to the truck.

I make far more after all my expenses than any company driver.

I own my business and cannot be fired and tossed out on my ### for not doing what they want me to.

My truck is not governed...MY TRUCK!

A lot of guys that I thought were a buch of jerks that just wanted me to be like them and tell me lies about things they didn't know when I was 20 seem a lot smarter today with the benefit of many years of experience and a thorough knowledge of the business.