Gun control is not the American way!

Discussion in 'Driver Health' started by Moose Holland, Jun 3, 2022.

  1. SmoothBore

    SmoothBore Medium Load Member

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    No proof needed, it’s fact. You have these gun owners who take a weekend ccw class and in their head now they’re marksmen. You take that ego and inflated confidence and you have a dangerous combination.
     
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  3. skallagrime

    skallagrime Road Train Member

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    Perception of risk of x should be tempered by reality. If you want to see how ridiculous your stance is, look at the climate catastrophists and the people that see nazis EVERYWHERE.

    Sure humans probably do SOMETHING to move climate a bit, but constantly claiming armageddon is tomorrow is clearly being out of touch with reality.

    Sure theres a few real racists out there, but constantly accusing jews of being nazis and that racism is a bigger existential crisis in the usa in 2022 than say our ridiculous healthcare or education system? Similarly deranged.
     
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  4. rabbiporkchop

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    I would take it a step further and say that every driver should be required to carry a firearm to protect the truck and the cargo, and if the driver refuses he should have his CDL revoked.
     
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  5. skallagrime

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    If the shootout likelihood is so low and you admit it, why are you so afraid tongo either unarmed or concealed?

    I dont buy the bs "its quicker" to open carry, i just dont, youre dealing with fractions of a second differences if youre competent for what? To socially signal that youre prepared for one of the LEAST common instances of violence.

    Im not "afraid" of open carry people, i have disdain for them, significant difference.

    Established patterns of human behaviour being dismissed as "arrmchair psychology", sure fine if you feel like it, doesnt change reality if it makes you feel better.

    Theres a difference between victim blaming and recognizing actual risk mitigation for what it is. Said jezebel SHOULD be able to walk oiled up and naked at midnight down skid row. But they would also have to be absolutely insane to do so, if you dont agree on that extreme example, i really dont think youre being honest with yourself.

    Obviously open carry is a bit different, I'm not saying youre INVITING more risk in open carry, I'm saying youre seeing it everywhere and its a fairly clear signal that youre not interested in de-escalation, youve literally put your weapon of choice front and center for the world to see. Words and logic are being dismissed as options simply by the presence of the weapon.

    There really isnt any other item to address, theyre all assumptions about how the poster feels about things despite no proof, there arent any prima facia claims I see.

    Go ahead, open carry, but again, I'm neither afraid of you or your weapon, My avoidance of you is entirely due to how much I immediately discount your intelligence and worth to society based on your fashion choices.
     
  6. Dave_in_AZ

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    And the lady that was being abducted from Lowes out the side door into the dude's waiting van, while she was at work in broad daylight, what was her X risk?
     
  7. Dave_in_AZ

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    I've seen the main stream media reporting on climate change man. It has to be true.
     
  8. Dave_in_AZ

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    The OM and I might start to open carry now that we know how some of you feel about it.
     
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  9. snowman1980

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    I have to say that a bit too much. No one should be forced to arm themselves.
     
  10. jaffles

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    Can't help think this open carry or gun thing is a bit like road rage. 99% of people probably choose to avoid escalation because its not worth it. Yes one may cus and carry on in the seat, but a bigger picture of peace in the day is desired. Most accept being the lesser and move on and its forgotten in a minute anyway.

    Then there are the ones who push back, they risk the conflict proving some mute point to a complete stranger. Sometimes one may win but its anyones guess if the stranger pushes back, and by how much, and for how long.

    This goes on until someone looses their nerve, or contact (conflict) happens. In the end someone will think they have one, and only they will appreciate it. Or both parties may be regretful, out of pocket, and negatively effected by the conflict in more ways than one. Then its anyone guess if innocent others are involved while the conflicting two are sorting not out. This shoot first ask later type thinking applied to road rage would see dead cars all over the road every hour of the day. And its incomprehensible how many others would be affected by it.

    Now its possible if one is that guy and sees some community call of duty from an inappropriate act, like someone speeding way above the limit or running a red light. Its possibly to put ones car in the way to stop it, but most just let the police deal with it. The potential loss, injury, and inconvenience for the conflict is too hight for the average joe. So nowadays people just take photos.

    I 100% agree it sucks being the innocent one hit by the red light runner, but life is a risk full stop. One can get cancer and be holier than thou. Greater community non acceptance of red light runners or speeder would reduce the affected innocent, however their will always be ones who do wrong. So community acceptance of those who do with harsh penalties applied are safer for community over all. Perhaps along with the fine for red light running one looses their car for 3 months first offence, then 6, the 24. Caught in-between and its breaking rocks for a spell.

    I admit people need to behave themselves, drugs, alcohol, poor family support, inequality, race, sex all don't help. And its huge job to try and fix if possible at all. But it seems to me better community is a better way forward then guns or road rage.
     
  11. rabbiporkchop

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    I agree in that no insurance company should be forced to insure someone who refuses to protect himself or his cargo and equipment.
     
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