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I still fail to see the connection you're attempting to make.

I think the point that you're missing is that narcotic prescriptions are on the list of controlled substances. If marijuana becomes legal it is no longer on the list of controlled substances, and it is not in the same class as narcotics nor should it be. If it is removed from the list of Controlled Substances, there is no restriction on it.

The list of controlled substances is what dictates law enforcement. If marijuana is removed from the list it's no longer controlled. If it is no longer controlled there is no law enforcement action because there is no law to enforce.

I still cannot get your point. If you are not allowed to take NyQuil and drive that makes sense because it makes you sleepy. What does that have to do with a substance that's not on a controlled substance list that you do on your off time? That has absolutely nothing to do with being inebriated on the job. Don't go to work inebriated on alcohol and don't go to work inebriated on pot.

If they make it federally legal, same exact thing. No difference.

I am not trying to insult you at all, but what you are saying is very convoluted and does not make sense.

Maybe you can more clearly explain it.

 

No I’m not missing the point, I authored it....you’re combining the two when they are totally separate issues.

Yea narcotics are on a controlled substance list, but when it comes to a CDL and interstate commerce, and safety sensitive positions that operate industrial machinery they are a disqualifier for operations of said machinery.

Why do you think there’s a big ### list of drugs that you can’t use or take and still drive your truck???

It’s not because they’re illegal, or controlled, or prescribed, or consumed.....it’s because they use of them disqualifies you from performing a safety sensitive function and operating industrial based machinery while “under the influence” of said medications.

I can’t make it any simpler to understand than I already have several times.

Go read the CDL medical and medication disqualifiers list, and the reasons for those rules/bylaws and it may make more sense.

Even if maryJJ is removed from the controlled list, and made legal at a federal level, you’ll still never be able to drive a CMV and consume it, because of what I just said above, and the posts before this, and on the previous page......

I think that’s the part you weren’t getting maybe?

I even sat before I made those posts and went over them 5 times before posting them to make sure what I was saying made sense so if I failed to connect those distinguishing dots my apologies

 

I'm not here to argue or anything like that. We can agree to disagree if that's the case.

Well this part of your post exactly right here is what I completely agree with and simultaneously I can't understand what you're saying.

I agree you cannot drive under the influence.

Using the example of Nyquil, don't drive on it. That's pretty simple. But when you are home on your off time take all the NyQuil you need and get yourself healthy. But don't take it and fall asleep behind the wheel.

You're posting suggest that there will be some allowance for people to smoke a large joint before they get in their tractor trailer and do their shift. I'm not sure where you would get that idea or think that would ever be allowed or that is what I or anyone else is suggesting. Absolutely not.

If it is not on the list of Controlled Substances, it is not a regulated drug.

Just like alcohol just like NyQuil, do not take it and drive.

Off-duty is a different story if it is federally legalized and taken off the list of controlled substances.

 

not sure what leads you to that conclusion cause I’m pretty sure I’ve said like 5 times you’ll never be able to legally drive a cmv when it comes to weed lol.

I just woke up, surprise surprise it’s still raining

off to the Utah we go, be safe everyone

 

You've completely missed the point here. If you smoke weed legally and afterwards are no longer intoxicated it should not be a problem for commercial drivers if it is legal. Current testing cannot measure intoxication, but if it could then driver usage outside of work hours would not be a concern.

 

I don't think he missed the point. We can't even get rid of the thirty minute break and some of you guys think politicians paid by safety advocates will let us smoke weed? It's much more likely they ban the use of alcohol.
Remeber, it's all about perception and no one wants Lester Holt telling the country, truck drivers can smoke herb. Doesn't matter, right or wrong. It's a fun debate I guess, but sure not hard to figure out.

 

Well I think the point of all of this is that it will be legalized at some point in the future. Is not a question of if but when.

Even the Attorney General, Bill Barr, has directly told Congress that he is against the legalization of it. But he said even though he's against it if they're going to legalize it do it! He said do it because we cannot exist with so many states doing something that is contrary to federal law. He is directing them to make a decision. It is not a question of if it is a question of when.

I myself think a big part of the problem that politicians wrestle with is there not being a way to test for impairment.

I think it when there is a definitive test that will positively indicate impairment, legalization will not be far behind.