Hazmat, yard jockey, and employer question

It is the HM quantity contained in the packaging. When you read the rules, don't allow yourself to over think the issue. AGGREGATE GROSS...the total weight of ALL HM quantities contained in the vehicle. Not the packaging. Just like on standard loads of canned goods...the pallet weight is separate from the commodity weight.

The cylinders are their own specific weight...but the Co2 is a different weight...so in your example you have 800 lbs of "product" (HM)...when in doubt use a placard! On the BOL's the weight of the HM quantity is required and the gross weight (both cylinder and commodity) is needed.

As long as the yard jock stays ON THE IMMEDIATE PROPERTY...and the immediate property is bound by fencing or other boundary distinguishing features..he would not need a CDL. However as soon as he departs from the immediate property (goes outside of the perimeters of the property) he does need a CDL...and if he is moving vehicles (trailers) that have product requiring placards...he must have the Haz Mat endorsement as well.

The CDL is a "drivers license"...most desk jockeys don't drive a commercial vehicle from their desk....

The Safety Officer should be up to date on safety issues...but up to dating doesn't require a CDL either!

Anytime....any time at all!

 

I must respectfully disagree.
Aggregate means means the total weight of all hazardous materials as you have stated.

Gross Weight means the weight of the package and the contents.
Refer to the definition in 49CFR 171.8

171.8 Definitions and abbreviations
Gross weight or Gross mass means the weight of a packaging plus the weight of its contents.

 

You are correct, I stand corrected. Thank you

Best regards

 

Have you thought of calling the State DOT for which you are in and asking them?

Mark

 

It is stated in FMCR that cmv drivers must log time jockeying trailers on the yard as "ON DUTY DRIVING" So why would someone else operating a cmv on the yard that does not have a CDL be legal?

 

I'm curious Bart....why are you asking these questions? Tell me your not planning an ah-ha party on company mgmt. It's a fire fight you can't win cause even if they're wrong...they're right.

If your looking for a bone to chew, try this...regs say anyone whom directs revenue activity of a CMV must be in the drug screen rotation. Dispatchers and ops managers don't cause it costs money and no one checks.

 

Because CDL drivers CAN leave the yard....mule driver can't. If the mule leaves the yard then it has to be plated and the driver has to have a cdl. The rules bind the driver, not the machine.

And yes, a mule can be plated, insured and leave the yard.......you wont want too though, there's no rear suspension, just iron.

 

Where did you get this idea? Can you cite what part of the CFR says this?

 

Anyone who operates a CMV needs a CDL -

But only off of private property -

Hours of Service rules are a completely different part of the regulations and have nothing to do with CDL requirements or being on private property or the highway.

392.2 defines “driving time” as -

That operation can be anywhere.

 

RR tracks are private property, and most definitely not open to the public. The landowners must have a right of way,easement or agreement with the RR company to be able to cross there. Therefore the yard jockey would not need a CDL as he never leaves private property that isn't open to the public. As stated above, if he were to leave private property, he'd need a tag on that mule which can be done like any other truck.