help me on this one cooling issue

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  1. Largecar359

    Largecar359 Road Train Member

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    would seem that the oil cooler is not right yet. Probably would say it's a head issue, but since the oil cooler was last work done the odds kinda point in that direction.
     
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  3. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    now that you mention it..
     
  4. BoxCarKidd

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    Permission to thank and speak freely sir?
    At a bit of a loose but I would associate the color with fuel in coolant, that should still seperate to top, or any mix coolant, it comes that color.
    Would expect oil in radiator from the oil cooler since oil pressure is usually higher than coolant pressure.
    In looking for cause of coolant in oil I wound start with trouble shooting flow chart. That is a Detroit 11.1 right? I thank it starts water pump, liner o-rings. Take the pan off and check those.
    Never saw anything mentioned cause one the run hot also.
    Air compressor has coolant, oil, and could put air in cooling system( equals over heating ).
    The soot idea? With coolant in oil? Pin hole about 40% of the way down a liner?
    Does the color of coolant in the jar go to normal with time?
     
  5. heavyhaulerss

    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    replaced compressor already. pressure test showed no leaks. no milky oil anywhere, lab is the only source of known coolant in oil, now this, whatever this black looking stuff on bottom of coolant. the green coolant is darker, like a radioactive coolant. with the higher temp & the coolant color change, along with the recent oil cooler, I am leaning on the cooler & think the coolant in oil is a separate issue. had very small amounts of coolant in oil, for over 8 months, no one can find out where it's coming from.

    we knew the culprit could be compressor, so since the ole one was pretty much wore out, we changed it. when that did not change the oil sample, shop changed oil cooler, since it was original 22 years old. yes 11.1 detroit. my opinion, in an attempt to find 1 problem wee created another, could be wrong, I do think the oil cooler is causing the oil in rad. just trying to get thru to spring, then buy another truck. work is very slow right now, don't want to buy a truck at this time,

    looking at rebuilt, new head, with new o rings, inj cup, tubes, and anything else that should be done while head is off. but will wait till shop looks at it & they figure out what is best. the only time I do not mind throwing parts at a problem is when the parts are 20 years old & time for preventative maint.
     
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    heavyhaulerss Road Train Member

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    the color of coolant in jar remains the same, black on bottom green elsewhere. on the w.p. I thought there were 2 seals 1 on oil side 1 on coolant side, but if either seals went bad, it would leak on the ground thru weep hole.1 seal bad could not get past other seal. ?
     
  7. Steel Dragon

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    Engine temp will vary,depending where your measuring water temp,its only an estimate,certain parts will be hotter than others.
    Antifreeze and water mixture concentration,will change the temp.
    Make sure you use distilled water when mixing antifreeze,dont use tap water.
    As long as your below boil,and not losing coolant,dont worry about it.
    Easy to contaminate cooling system,while doing engine work,if in doubt,flush the system,and start from scratch.
     
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  8. RustyBolt

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    Oil floats.

    So "black on bottom" can't be oil. Probably sludge that has been building in the coolant system for years and got loosened by the recent work.
     
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  9. BoxCarKidd

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    You are correct about the water pump weep hole. Saw one stopped up once getting coolant in oil. I believe your engine also has 6 plastic plugs down the drivers side. The passages go to the middle of the liner o-rings. If the upper o-rings go bad coolant should leak out there instead of going to the pan. Cracked injector sleeve? A little fuel, a little compression in coolant?
     
  10. swaan

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    My opinion,, i think he has a head gasket issue all along. Althou not a bad idea to change out a 22 year old oil cooler. But my money is on the head gasket .
     
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  11. Oxbow

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    Just a thought, but is there a chance that the coolant that was put in after the oil cooler was replaced was a different type? I know that the extended life red stuff does not play well with the green, and can plug up radiator cores. What has me wondering this is trying to come up with what the black gunk on the bottom is that could be heavier than coolant.
     
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