Help needed from the cat Gurus

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by 1johnb, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. 1johnb

    1johnb Medium Load Member

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    I had the base apart and steel line off, front and top fitting out of the head. Also blew air through the fuel rifle. No evidence of the snubber any where? Fuel line and junction at front of head are clear also. I agree with you on the timing. What baffles me is it will run as it should then almost like flipping a switch it acts up. I have load tested the power and grounds to th ecm also. When running in this condition @ 1400 rpm in pto if I toggled down 50 100 rpm it would leave. It seemed as if it were several cyls but I could not isolate any particular cylinder.
    I will dive into the fuel system a bit more. I plan to use the bucket and submerge the return and check for air.
     
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  3. Mr. Haney

    Mr. Haney Road Train Member

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    DO NOT USE THE BUCKET TEST FOR AIR. The reason for this is the check valve in the filter base creates turbulence in the fuel causing it to show up as bubbles as it passes through the valve. I've seen mechanics chase this problem using this method of testing, when a slight glass showed no bubbles at all in later testing.

    If you do it will possibly give you a false reading. Buy the CAT sight glasses and install them in the fuel lines before and after the head
     
  4. 1johnb

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    AFinally got a secondary timing sensor code. Will recheck timing calibration. I have often considered timing curve different from ful or off throttle, just the way it reacts. The engine acts up the instant the pedal changes, this is why the fuel supply has been suspect. It reacts to pedal input instantaneously, no lag or hesitation to start or end it.
    Hopefully this timing issues will straighten it out.
     
  5. Gear head

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    Any new news on this?
     
  6. 1johnb

    1johnb Medium Load Member

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    Ok the latest. Wednesday set timing calibration. Had code 42 within 2 miles, stopped at a past cat tech's farm he and another past cat employees listened to it and both thought it is definitely timing. 1 even thought it is likely it's firing the injectors twice? I had both sensors brought out and replaced. Code 42 left about 1/2 hour after calibration and hasn't come back. Anyway replaced both sensors put 15 miles on it before it acted up. It's not quite as severe maybe and possibly not as frequent. Yesterday drove 35 miles before it started. I ran with both sensors disconnected at different times, it is worse with each unhooked than with both. So now I am up against trying to get the ecm reflashed by cat or else where and or try a different cam, I hate to think of putting in the same p/n cam.
    I considered having the heavy haul put in, but this truck is long legged 55 mph@ 1100
     
  7. DDS

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    Code 42 left after 1/2 hour after calibration? This code should be gone after timing calibration is corrected. You need to stop installing parts and recheck your camshaft timing. Get the lash to .007 with a dial indicator with the roccker shafts backed off holding the idler gear. After correcting lash, go to dealer and have the timing calibration done with the probe, make sure the wiring in to the ecm from the probe has + 22 pin and - 23, that can make a 2.5 deg difference according to cat.
     
  8. 1johnb

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    Cam gear lash was at. 005. I think I have found the culprit. I believe that the owner of the truck and I have been the victim's of some unscrupulous business practices. I am 99% sure the cam was renumbered to reflect the correct part number. This is about all I want to disclose now. I have to get the engine back together and test drive it.
    This is very disheartening for me as I have spent a lot of money with this supplier, due to prices and availability of parts.
     
  9. Gear head

    Gear head Medium Load Member

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    Did you get it fixed was it infact the cam?
     
  10. 1johnb

    1johnb Medium Load Member

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    Yes the cam was incorrectly marked. I believe it wae intentional, more to make the part sale. I am reasonably sure the thought was they are all the same. Thus the renumbering. I have been in contact with cat about this issue. Probably won't be much come of it, (big me little you). Tough lessons learned are the ones you never forget.
    I would like to thank all who offered suggestions, problems like this can benefit all of us.
     
    windsmith and black_dog106 Thank this.
  11. CatPowerC15

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    Wow....makes me wonder if mine was numbered wrong.
     
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