Help! Stuck in Seattle-Rear end gone!

Discussion in 'Kenworth Forum' started by BridgettAnn, May 13, 2012.

  1. bender

    bender Road Train Member

    2,105
    1,356
    Jul 20, 2010
    Don't Kid Yourself
    0
    If the diff, spindles/bearings/hubs are all burned up then you might consider buying a complete hub to hub axle assembly with the differential in it of the same gear ratio as you now have, install it and be on your way. Send the bill and ship the old rear axle assembly to the first KW dealer for warranty inspection. Make mention of your attorney and if they fail to respond engage the attorney.
     
    BridgettAnn Thanks this.
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. The Admiral

    The Admiral Heavy Load Member

    894
    561
    Jul 18, 2010
    Akron,Ohio
    0
    I would call KW Sioux City and ask them to have their factory rep. call you,have your bill in hand. 8 hr's to replace 2 seals is way off the map. If the bearings,races and spindles are burned up maybe the bearings were too tight. If there was that kind of leak,there would be no missing it,you would see it everwhere,plus smell it. Forget what that Service Man. is telling you,i think Sioux City screwed up and the Ser. Man. where you are doesn't want to do the leg work to get you your WARRENTY. I would be talking to Souix City's rep. ASAP!
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2012
    BridgettAnn Thanks this.
  4. The Admiral

    The Admiral Heavy Load Member

    894
    561
    Jul 18, 2010
    Akron,Ohio
    0
    A suggestion for future reference is to physically touch the hub with your hand all 4 hubs should be about the same temp and there is no mistaking when you have a hot one. Another way to do it is buy an infra heat gun from a tool man and check it with that. Mine cost around $60 and is a handy thing to have in the truck.
     
    MNdriver Thanks this.
  5. MNdriver

    MNdriver Road Train Member

    7,985
    4,372
    Feb 24, 2012
    0
  6. BridgettAnn

    BridgettAnn Light Load Member

    92
    51
    Jul 5, 2011
    Allen Park, Mi
    0
    I really appreciate the few of you taking the time to give such detailed info and advice. It is 8 a.m here in Seattle and we are getting ready to walk across the street to the KW dealer from our hotel. We will take your advice and stand our ground. I will update after while. Blessings.
    ~BridgettAnn
     
    bender Thanks this.
  7. bender

    bender Road Train Member

    2,105
    1,356
    Jul 20, 2010
    Don't Kid Yourself
    0
    I have a new perspective of this whole ordeal, something that I've seen happen in the past. Truck comes to shop with a massive oil leak slinging rear end lube everywhere. Mechanic looks it over, there is oil all over the axle, brakes, insides of tires and wheels so he assumes it's the hub seals leaking, but in reality it's actually the input or output seal on the diff leaking heavily and the driveline slinging the oil out to the brakes and wheels/tires making it appear that the hub seals are leaking when in fact they aren't. He replaces the seals and cleans up the oil mess and the truck goes on down the road with no more leaks. Why? Because the diff is near empty, the actual leak was the input or output seal and the mechanic didn't put lube in the diff so there is no oil in it to leak from the failed seal. I'd bet money on this!
     
    BridgettAnn Thanks this.
  8. BridgettAnn

    BridgettAnn Light Load Member

    92
    51
    Jul 5, 2011
    Allen Park, Mi
    0
    Bender, Thank you so much for your insight on this! I think you may be on to something. Marty was wondering from the beginning why two wheel seals would go at the exact same time. Even the service manager here in Seattle said that is "very rare". So, If I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that if we blew an input or output seal, and the dope went everywhere, and they misdiagnosed the problem to begin with, we could easily end up with the problem we now have. Now... They (sioux city) are charging for 6 quarts of dope. Figure a quart to a quart and a half in each side of the axle. That would mean they are claiming to have topped off the diff with approx 3 quarts of oil. Am I correct in this assumption? If this is the case, would we have seen a lot of oil after the so called repair? Or would it be too low? Remember the Seattle service manager said "this has been leaking for a while because there is oil on the rear of the housing." Would that small amount have just been "splashed" in small amounts because of the low level? AND is it possible for the rear end to run "fine" with such little oil after the input or output seal leaked for nearly 3800-4000 miles? Could it take that long to show its face?
    Thanks,
    ~BridgettAnn
     
    bender Thanks this.
  9. bender

    bender Road Train Member

    2,105
    1,356
    Jul 20, 2010
    Don't Kid Yourself
    0
    Each hub will hold less than a pint of oil. If oil was put in the hubs when they were installed it would stay there and the bearings and spindles would never burn up. The oil in the hub can't possibly migrate back through the axle tube into the diff. The only way the oil could leave the hub is a leaking hub seal or drive axle flange. It's obvious that little or no oil was put into the hubs.

    Your diff has an oil pump to distribute lube throughout. As long as there was some oil in the diff to be pumped and distributed, meltdown would be delayed so yes, you could make the trip while it was being scorched to oblivion.

    Some oil would be thrown into the axle tubes and the axle tubes will hold oil. I could see a quart in each side, but not enough to serve the hub cavity/wheel bearings.

    He may have put 6 quarts in it at time of repair and thought it was full but it wasn't. Service lube pumps can pump rapidly and sometimes cause fluids to belch back out the fill hole making you think that they are full when they are not.

    What rearends are in the truck? I've seen rear drive axles complete sold in pairs for $6500 to $7500 for the pair out of wrecked low mileage trucks. You might pickup a complete front drive axle assembly for half.

    There wasn't enough oil in the diff to leak out of the failed seal so no you wouldn't have seen any oil after the hub seals were replaced.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2012
  10. BridgettAnn

    BridgettAnn Light Load Member

    92
    51
    Jul 5, 2011
    Allen Park, Mi
    0
    Update:
    Truck was ready this morning. Bill is over $5500. Realized that when we looked over the bill, that they used 46 pints of 75W90 between hubs and filling diff. The bill did not actually specify pints. It just said "46". So we called and they explained it was basically pints. That is 5.75 gallons of oil. Very good. So, I get to thinkin'.... the sioux city KW dealer had "6" on their invoice. We ASSUMED that meant 6 quarts. But since the Seattle dealership used pints, I decided to call service in Sioux City and ask what units they used for oil. The parts guy said that it was also basically units. What I mean by basically, is that each unit is actually in pounds which is about 1 pint. That 6 pints would equal 3 quarts. 1.5 quarts for each wheel seal, and nothing left to fill the diff with! So I talk to the guy in service and he said "no, we don't check the diff oil. The rear end has nothing to do with the wheel seals." I explained to him that the Seattle KW serv. manager said that it is protocol to check and fill the diff after replacing wheel seals. NOW... Remember... they spent 4 hours above and beyond the normal time that it would take to replace a wheel seal. They said that all of that extra time was due to how extensive the oil clean up was. Wouldn't logic dictate that there was more oil to clean up than what could have possibly leaked out of the wheel hubs? Then he back peddled after asking another mechanic that was standing next to him and said that they did check it... and that it must have been full or they would have topped it off. Okay BS.! .. All of that said.. I am going with Benders idea that it was never the wheel seals to begin with. However, since I cannot prove that, we have to go on what we can prove. Which is that at the very least they failed to check and fill the diff. The Seattle KW service manager said that all of the evidence supports this. After talking with some very defensive rude people in service in sioux city, I asked for a corporate number... they gave me the number to the owner of the dealership. I spoke with him and told him of the entire situation and he said "Fax me a copy of the bill from Seattle..I'm leaving the office in about 13 minutes and won't be back until Thursday. I'll get back with you then". So we will be interested to see what they have to say! Might have to go to court if they are not willing to work with us. I think we have proved that this is a no brainer.
    ~BridgettAnn
     
  11. Hanadarko

    Hanadarko Independent Owner/Operator

    2,962
    927
    Oct 1, 2009
    Midwest
    0
    Get the temp gauge fixed. Usually its a crappy ground wire or something on the sensor on the back of the diff.
    Thats all mine was and ez to fix.

    If you ground the wire at the diff against a piece of metal and the gauge pegs,
    then its either the temp sending unit or a flakey ground wire..

    12v at the gauge = full tilt peg.
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.