heres some friendly advice to 4-wheelers....

Discussion in 'Questions To Truckers From The General Public' started by corneileous, Nov 28, 2009.

  1. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    What law is that and a link.
     
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  3. corneileous

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    LOL, I drove in the left lane all the way thru Ft Worth and most of Dallas yesterday afternoon after that big snowstorm that blew through there the night before cuz I was sick and tired of all the "no-drivin" boneheads that freak out when they see snow kept slammin on the brakes at every slightly iced overpass we went over.......

    Even tho my truck's governed at 62, I can make mine go up to 67 by tappin the throttle pedal 3 times in a row, then bumpin the cruise up so I dont have to take 5 miles tp pass someone goin a mile or two slower....

    Ive done that quite a few times for some drivers, especially when theres lots of traffic around.

    Ya, I wanna see proof on that as well. I could understand that bein a supposed law on a two-lane, but on a multi-lane or even a plain-jane, 4-lane freeway?? Hell, if thats the case, then maybe the gov't should step in and make it a law that these big companies cant govern their trucks so slow. I can understand the fuel savings when you add up the total fuel cost for 250 to 300 trucks that you may be fittin the fuel bill for but its sad when they trade saftey for profit...
     
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  4. Powder Joints

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    It in the California Commercial Drivers Handbook, I do not know the link off hand I would suppose CA.DMV.GOV would be close.
     
  5. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    Figures..... That would be some goofy-#$$ed law that California would come up with. Seems kinda ironic with them bein one of the few now that still limit big trucks to 55.
     
  6. JPenn

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    10mph over to pass? Mmm, not on this side of the playground. 4-5mph difference is a brisk enough pass and doesn't bend the speed limit laws quite as hard.

    And passing on the right? As I recall its actually illegal in many places, though the New England states and NJ seem to favor this, to the point of making dangerous rightlane passes when the left is wide open (3 lane road, trucks prohibited from far left). Seen on the back of an end dump in NJ, on the left "Cloud Nine", and the right "6 Feet Under".

    I think the don't pass on the right bit is completely left out of drivers ed nowadays, and its seldom if ever enforced.
     
  7. Jack Smithton

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    Couldn't find it in the Vehicle Code - only something which applies if the passed vehicle is going 20mph or less:

    CVC 21758. In the event any vehicle is being operated on any gradeoutside of a business or residence district at a speed of less than 20 miles per hour, no person operating any other motor vehicle shall attempt to overtake and pass such slow moving vehicle unless the overtaking vehicle is operated at a speed of at least 10 miles per hour in excess of the speed of the overtaken vehicle, nor unless the passing movement is completed within a total distance not greater than one-quarter of a mile.
     
  8. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    Thats a crock of $h!t..... Just cuz I can only go 62 and some drivers are governed lower than I am or choose to drive slower than me, I dont have the right to pass? Hmmmmm..... Like I said, I could understand that if you're on a two-lane coutry highway but that makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine to make it a law that you can only pass someone if they are going a certain amount of speed below the speedlimit.
     
  9. darkpony02

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    The law doesnt seem like a bad idea to me, unless the other vehicle is doing 10mph less than what your doing. Gaining 10 miles or less on a highway in one hour doesnt justify the risk or the traffic that will be created as a rig takes 5 miles to pass someone. Like someone mentioned if the rig being passed was curteous enough to let you in quickly it would be better. Just my opinion.
     
  10. Roadmedic

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    Handbook does not always mean the law.
     
  11. AfterShock

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    Same here, RO/O.
    I dislike distorted windshield views enough to do a task I don't like to do. Keep the windshield clean, as well as any other glass, side window, peek-a-boo in the lower right-side door, mirrors, headlights, tail and marker lights, and my sunglasses lenses if I'm wearin' any.

    On those dreary on again-off again rainy days that leave the highways just wet enough to create tire spray, but not enough rain fallin' to use the wipers to clear the muddy spray off the glass, and using the wipers dry over abrasive mud isn't a good idea, ----

    I'll hesitate before movin' back over to avoid sprayin' muddy gunk back at the Big truck, or any motorist, I'm passing.
    If they flash me over, I hit my interrupt toggle several times, then one blink of my left-turn signal, indicating my intention to remain in that lane a tad longer, and to make him/her aware I'm aware where they are, and a thanx.
    Imagine that.
    All that information transmitted by blinking lights.
    Now-a-daze, I think, there are fewer and fewer drivers who are literate in those reading skills.

    I think that depends on the situation and conditions.

    When a driver in a governed Big truck decides to pass another Big truck capable of runnin' lots faster, but is runnin' slower to squeeze fuel, --- but there's ample horse power under that driver's right foot to maintain the legal speed limit while climbing the mountain grades just ahead, --- now that Big truck tryin' to pass at a point where they'll be losing speed and dropping gears about the same time they're pullin' in front of the Bigger Big truck.

    If that's y'all in the Big horsepower Big truck, I'd be thinkin' THAT's rude of the slower Big truck truck driver. It's one thing to have enough speed to make the pass, --- after the pass y'all have to be able to maintain a speed at least equal to, and usually in excess of, the vehicle y'all just passed.
    Although, depending on the conditions and situation, I have backed out of it, letting the slower truck back over, then doing what they should have in the first place, remain there until it makes sense to safely pass.

    Rather than doin' that, I'd put my foot in it and motor away, --- leaving the slower driver a gap to pull into right behind my donkey.
    When it comes to passing me, I'll hold my position if it's my opinion that if I slowed down it would create a less desirable situation than the driver who got himself hung out to dry. Hopefully they'll learn a lesson.

    If it's a two lane or four lane highway, I'm inclined to back off and let 'em over in the interest of safety. Then think back to when I drove a governed Big truck instead of the triple-digit, unrestricted, Big horse I graduated to.
    Frustrating, then as I recall.
    I don't know if that's actually a law, at least not nation wide. I remember that being mentioned at the driving school I attended around 20 years ago, and the instructors presented that information in a positive light.

    I think if it isn't a law, it would be one of the more sensible laws if it were.

    You ain't runnin' Throttle In A Bottle, (nitrous oxide), are you? :biggrin_25523:
    One-Two-Three BUMP!

    We're told lower speeds are safer by the same folks who tell us that speed kills. When actually, speed, in and of itself, doesn't kill.
    NopE!
    It's the sudden stop.
    It's twue!
    It's twue!

    And the safety issue goes beyond that.
    Who knows the recommended method for recovering from a steer tire blow-out?
    For those not familiar, studies by a major tire maker have shown that immediately after the tire blows, and as the tractor rapidly leans in the direction of the side on which the blow-out occurred , is the moment where remaining in control is critical, as a potential for a whipping condition in the steering components, including the steering wheel which can throw a driver's hands away from the steering wheel at a bad time, is very likely.

    To avoid the whipping action, it is advised that a driver gouge on it to lessen the sudden weight shifting to one side on the front axle. By doing so, the whipping action is reduced enough to where control is maintained and deceleration can be more gradual and controlled.

    Question: When a Big truck is run up against the governor on the highways,
    what's left to gouge on if a steer tire goes PoP!?
    The study suggested a speed increase of 10 mph or more.
    If the governor is already bumped,...........
    If that's all she's got, ......................
    Y'all ready for that ride?

    As a resident of the Land-0-Fruits & Nutz, you'll get no argument from me about some of the dizzy things California comes up with, ...... but I don't think a time limit for passing law would qualify as goofy. Here in SoCal we have hills with serious uphill/downhill portions, like the Grapevine on the north side. It wasn't uncommon to sit behind two LTL Big trucks pullin' doubles, pluggin' up both legal lanes for Big trucks, as they tried to pass other trucks from the same company and governed at the same speed.

    I'm not sure passing is a "right". Just as driving isn't a right, but rather a privilege, maybe it could be said that you have a privilege to pass when legal and safe to do so.

    I think passing a slower vehicle is fine, as long as the vehicle doing the passing is capable of maintaining a speed greater than mine when they get by. To pass and pull back in, then be unable to maintain at least the passing speed is a rookie move, at best, and an indication of an uncaring driver at the other end.
    Could even be both.
    :biggrin_2551:
    In a perfect world I reckon we'd need no rules, regulations and/or laws, but we don't seem to be capable of that doin' that. Because there's bound to be differing interpretations of 'acceptable', it's decided on one meaning to apply to all, and that meaning becomes law.
    Pretty complicated and confusing stuff that our elected officials handle for us.

    The purpose of any law should result in an improvement.
    Some traffic laws seem to have good intentions and, PROPERLY administered and enforced, in theory, are workable solution(s) to solving a problem. But not all laws accomplish that. And some create different problems that can be as bad or worse than whatever the law(s) were established to prevent.
    Are y'all's heads spinnin' 'round ---- like mine? :biggrin_25526:

    YuP!
    It's a shame there are drivers who consider themselves 'professional' drivers who need to be told in the form of a law where the limits are set and enforced in the interest of safety for all.

    Basically, I think it all boils down to the individual driver and how seriously they take Big truck truckin'. When y'all realize that how a Big truck truck driver handles situations out thar on the road is probably the biggest part of the job, y'all are on your way to an understanding of great benefit, and yet the thing we all have to most control of, ........... our attitudes.
    Properly adjusted they'll take us farther.

    Y'all know what sizzles your bacon out thar.
    Just make sure y'all don't do the same things.
     
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