High SWR - Cobra 29LX w/ magnetic mount antenna

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  1. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    Well they sort of do, I think the problem is with the mount at the base is isolated from the bottom (magnet) part.

    Now as I said it is difficult to figure it out so your patients is really important.

    If I was there, I would spot the problem in a matter of minutes but I am not so I have a suggestion, seeing you are down there in Myrtle beach SC, and maybe near Hwy 17, if you know where harbor freight is, I would suggest getting a cheap multi-meter (link below) that can help you with checking the setup.

    Here is what I would do with it.

    I would do what rabbi posted with the image, check the connection from the radio to the antenna to see if there is nothing connecting the two. Then I would check to see if there is no open wire between the two by shorting out the antenna mount studs to each other with a piece of wire, and if this shows a short, it is alright so far so put it back together. Then see if you have a connection between the stud under the foil and the foil itself because you need that. If it isn't, then there is the problem because it needs to have that part of the ground to connect it to the foil to make the capacitor work.

    Now you can skip the first two parts and go right to the last part (checking the foil and the stud on the bottom.

    The multimeter is about $6 or $7 - I think it is on sale.

    7 Function Digital Multimeter with Backlight
     
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  3. jwdesigns

    jwdesigns Bobtail Member

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    Hey Ridgeline, thanks for the info man. I'll check that and let ya know. I have a new multimeter, a $60 one too! Been waiting to use it lol.

    Are you in Myrtle Beach as well?
     
  4. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    IMG_869.jpg Just a note... I just installed a new radio in my car and bought a Lil Wil mag mount to use with it. The antenna is incredibly narrow banded and the SWR was at 2.5 right out of the package. Raising it just a half inch or so made the SWR shoot up between 3 and 4.

    I ended up trimming about a half inch off the whip and bottomed it out in the base to get 1.29 at 27.185 mhz.
     
  5. jwdesigns

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    Nice! Does a lower SWR equate to better transmitting? Receiving? Both?
     
  6. jwdesigns

    jwdesigns Bobtail Member

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    There's a few replies on here with instructions involving the coax at the antenna or the barrell nut/shielding at the antenna. On the antenna side there is no coax connector or shielding. Unless its inside that plastic, all sealed up. At the antenna side if i unscrew and remove the antenna and remove the magnetic mount with the lil washer and nut under it, what im left with is basically a peice of sealed up plastic that has 2 studs/bolts on both ends. Ill send some additional pics and meter results shortly.
     
  7. jwdesigns

    jwdesigns Bobtail Member

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    Ok, so with my meter, when selected to OHMs, if I touch them together it beeps and gives a reading.

    I attached a photo of the meter I have, just for reference. I'm sure someone's familiar with it.

    When i touch one terminal to the bottom nut or stud and touch the other terminal to the base, nothing happens.

    When i touch one terminal to the bottom nut or stud and touch the other terminal to the tinfoil, nothing happens.

    The outside of the antenna base is clearly coated, although it feels like metal.

    Lastly, my toolbox has a thick layer of rhino line spray. Cant get a reading at all that there is available ground.

    Grounding the toolbox migh be easier said than done if a connection cant get thru that big layer of rhinolining type stuff.

    What else do I need to test with the meter?
     

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    I assume i should ground the bottom stud to the bottom and see if that fixes the problem? Cant I just use a wire ring connector, put it on the stud, tighten nut and take the other end to the body. And test?
     
  9. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    Is the antenna bottomed out in the base? Raise it 1/4 inch... does the SWR go up or down?

    Check SWR on channel 20. If it goes up, trim 1/4 inch off the whip, reinsert until it bottoms, then recheck SWR. Did it go down? Great, keep trimming 1/4 inch at a time until the SWR starts to go back up. At that point, you should be able to raise or lower the antenna in the base until you get the lowest SWR.

    You can see by the graph I posted, what SWR looks like. I have mine centered at 27.185 mhz (channel 19).

    Raising the antenna, or making it longer, causes the low point to be at a lower frequency (channel).

    Lowering the antenna or making it shorter, cause the low point to move up in frequency.

    Without getting too complicated on other factors, your radio will be happiest when that low point is centered in the channel you talk on the most.

    If you don't have a fancy antenna analyzer like I have, you can make your own graph by plotting the points on a sheet of graph paper. Start at channel 1, note the SWR and record the point on the graph. Do this for each channel up to 40 and then connect the dots. You should see something like the screen on my analyzer shows.
     
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    jwdesigns Bobtail Member

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    If I successfully ground the antenna, like using a wire from the lower stud to a good ground, can I keep the antenna here?

    The picture is deceptive, but its a 42" antenna and roughly 20 inches is above the roof like.

    IMG_5459.JPG
     
  11. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    If that bottom stud is connected to the shielding of the coax, then it would probably work. Use a SHORT braided flat ground strap from the stud to the tool box. And then another short one from the toolbox to the bed.

    Don't be tempted to use regular wire. It can radiate and act like an antenna.
     
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