Higher Fuel Prices = Slower and Slower?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Eaton18, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    On my way to work this morning I thought of a little more pertinent info that helps explain why we must drive "fast". The quarries are only open from 7am-5pm. If you arrive at the quarry at 7am, there can be a line of about 15 trucks already waiting to load.

    Once loaded, tarped, ect., we then deliver it to a site 168 miles west. There's several towns that we must slow to 45mph, and one (Emporia) that has numerous stoplights and a speed limit of 30mph. So driving on the highway at 68-70mph, will give us an average speed of about 45-53mph. It takes 2.5 hrs to arrive at the site, IF we don't encounter too many 55mph cars and big trucks. If we do, that easily becomes a 3 hr one-way run. We're suppose to bounce back for a second load. Remember the quarry closes at 5pm. This can be done, if we run the legal speed limit of 65mph. However to counter all the slow-pokes, we are forced to push it when we can. Making the 2 loads, is quite possible, it's the getting back after the 2nd load within the 11hrs. If we run out of hours too far west, and lay over, the next day gets screwed up, from the dead-heading so many miles just get your first load. Now you run the risk of not being able to make it back for your second load.

    We only have 1 dispatcher, and that's all I'm saying about that.

    I guess more than anything, it's just frustrating when you have to drive against the governor, dang near run when your out of your truck, unrolling, rolling the tarp, ect., just so you don't exceed your 11 hrs or 14. I mean there's no stopping for a break, P or otherwise. Doing so, and you can pretty well figure you're going to be out of time before you make it back to the yard. It's just so much fun!!

    Oh and the actual loading time, once you're up and the loader starts to load you, is about 3 mins. It takes 15 mins from the time I roll into the quarry, untarp, pull my bows, scale, load, scale, set the bows, roll the tarp, draw my lines in the logbook and go. That's provided there is no waiting line. This past week, I have waited in line for an hour. Showed up at 7am, and was loaded at 8am. Then I've also been in and out within the 15 mins.
     
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  3. Emulsified

    Emulsified Road Train Member

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    Don't confuse acceleration with momentum with acceleration via energy expended.
    The greater the rate of acceleration the greater the energy needed to move the mass.
    Resistance of the air mass becomes proportionately greater as the rate of acceleration increases.
    Greater resistance requires greater energy to increase acceleration.
    Ask yourself: Does your mileage go up, down or stay the same when you encounter a headwind? How about a tail wind?
    Given equal parameters, it will always require more energy to accelerate an object to a greater rate with equal variables (terrain, angle of assent, atmosphere, etc)
     
  4. Boogers

    Boogers Light Load Member

    yada yada yada....
    Chicken butt say what ??
    my brain hurts.....:biggrin_2553:
     
  5. 6Shooter

    6Shooter Light Load Member

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    I know I'm speaking as a new driver...but if you are going downhill, your mass is not carrying you, you are being pushed...and in a sence...falling. The OP is talking about fuel economy...more mass = more energy to gain momentum or even loose momentum. If you slow down on a flat run, you "should" use less energy and in turn save fuel. I think on hills, fuel econmy goes out the window.
     
  6. Emulsified

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    To maximize fuel economy, run only as fast as required to make your destination on time.
    Coast (in gear) at every opportunity, such as down hills..even if only a slight decline.
    Accelerate gently. As if there is a rotton egg between your foot and the pedal.
    Anticipate stops. Coast to the stop.
    Don't rely on your jake to 'help' you stop in normal traffic operations. Save the jake for those declines (hills) where you will gain speed without acceleration.
    Shift at lower RPMs. Each engine is different, however on flat terrain, I shift upwards between 1100 and 1200 rpm.
    Don't run your rpms up if unnecessary.
    Practice these tips and your fuel mileage will increase.
     
  7. THE ROAD VIRUS

    THE ROAD VIRUS Light Load Member

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    its aerodynamics and coefficient of drag. trucks are as aerodynamic as a brick. it takes a diesel engine more power and energy consumption to move the brick through the air at higher speeds because of drag. it has been found that 45-55mph is the sweet spot for the engines peak efficiency in moving the truck through the air by overcoming the weight(mass). less energy consumed=better mpg.
     
  8. NewNashGuy

    NewNashGuy Road Train Member

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    I am sure you are right but there have been times when I had to push a car that wouldn't start and when we tried to do it slowly we got really tired but if we ran faster then the car felt easier to push than going slower. Plus I have driven slowly on the interstate as a test before and my mpg didn't go up even a decimal point. Plus the road is never flat it always has hills and when you go fast you race up the hills even without giving it any fuel but if I go slow the second I hit the hill I am struggling to go up it. So in theory if the road is totally flat then I can see how slower is better for mpg but not the real world.
     
  9. Peterbeatinit

    Peterbeatinit Medium Load Member

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    Use that cruise control..

    On a truck the cruise will coast the truck down a hill and fuel it on the way up..if you gotta down shift..then you off the cruise on the way up...

    figure out what your est speed is to the destination..say 60 mph..coast to 65 on the way down..let it coast as far as it will on the way up to 60..then fuel..

    straight and level acceleration..put the egg under the pedal..works for big trucks..and 4 wheelers..

    above all else..keep the engine in the torque curve where its most efficient

    Petey
     
  10. ickeyiskewl

    ickeyiskewl Light Load Member

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    well the crappy thing is with the tanker if i set the cruise it wont over speed nearly like i need to get up the other side of the hill ...trust me if i do it i am hitting 7th gear on a not so steep grade ..on the floor i will drop to 9th maybe 8th ...so my theory the cruise is use less in hills ... idc about the stupid bonus really ... i mean i avg maybe 4.5 mpg in the hilly and mountain areas way it is ... i hammer down cuz its to darn time consuming if i dont ... i never hear anything about it form the company they know how it is when ur in the hills ...but flat lands i do decent and still get about 6-7 mpg on cruise usually
     
  11. MJ1657

    MJ1657 Road Train Member

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    One thing noone ever seems to consider is by running a little faster you have opportunities to haul more loads. Say I run 60 mph in a 10 hour day thats 600 miles, at 70 thats 700 miles. Take that times 7 days and I was able to run an additional 700 miles you could have run.

    I know those numbers are not exactly the miles you can put on due to delays etc.. but its for keeping the math easy.

    I know you will save money by slowing down and I see the numbers guys post like 10-15k fuel savings per year and I completely believe that number. They don't take into account that you could make a portion of that up by increasing the amount of freight you could haul in a year.
     
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