I agree. To add another point I thought about while reading your post, in most states you can even be a for-hire construction outfit and run farm plates, if your business is doing construction on farms.
Most log haulers around here can run farm plates and don't even have to have a CDL. The loophole is that most logging is done either on shares or they buy the standing timber outright so they either own part of or all of the logs they are hauling. Logging and growing trees is considered agriculture, so they are allowed to haul their own farm products to market. Once you run that same log though a sawmill and turn it into boards though, it is considered a manufactured product and not a farm commodity.
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Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Dino soar, Aug 30, 2023.
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We both live in Pennsylvania. Neither of us is going to leave the state or do anything that any equipment has to move out of the state. He's about two and a half hours away from where I'm at.
Now what I'm talking about is a low bed that we can tag with my tractor with Farm tags. He legitimately has a farm and we also have relatives and myself down here that we will do some work for because they're our family. Not for profit in that instance.
He has a D4 Dozer a few backhoes and track machines a 20 ton excavator and I also have backhoes and Paving equipment and other trucks Etc.
Now as far as the for-profit part, we're considering going out and just doing some local Excavating near where he lives. Like I'm going to say within an hour of where he lives.
These would be infrequent jobs, but they would be for profit and that part of it would be commercial. For example, we're thinking let's say we excavate a swimming pool and maybe we're there for a couple days by the time we do the grading and concrete or whatever else has to be done.
We would do a job like that and have someone move the low bed with whatever equipment we needed on it.
If I thought I could get away with it with the form tags I would do that and if it's only a small ticket that's not a big deal.
But I do not want the authorities to look at me and tell me oh no no no you're a commercial operation we're going to fine you tens of thousands of dollars you're in violation.
So that's basically the story. The equipment would go back and forth between our homes and our relatives to do the work we need to do for them, but then there will be times near him that we would go out and do some work but definitely not an everyday thing probably like a few months out of the Year something like that.
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Why on Earth would I do that if there's an owner operator that I can pay him for a one hour power only move?
I don't know about anybody else but I never did a 1 hour Power only move that I got $150 an hour and I got it from my shop to their place to where I'm going to back to my shop.
So it isn't about being cheap, not that you particularly said that I just wanted to be clear. It's about if I have the trailer and we have the equipment and we're going to go out and do a little bit of this and that then that's how I want to pay somebody to move it.
I'm not being funny but there are owner operators running around locally schlepping making maybe 400 bucks a day or something like that. I know that's not you guys I know but my point is there's somebody out there that will move that for not a lot of money.
At this point don't think it would be that difficult to find a couple local guys that wanted to make extra money, not sure what I'm missing.
I think I have my answer in that way unless I can just run the truck myself with the farm plateSiinman Thanks this. -
You are way overthinking this thing. My cousin and I have a dozer he moves between my late uncles hay and milo ‘“farm” locations 137 miles apart on farm tags without Cdl twice a year with a 1971 359 no less. Legal. There is no definition of what equipment is allowed to be used on a farm. Heck they use green JD’s and Red Case’s with disk’s down here to build pad sites for apartment and housing subdivisions.
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When you go to dig that swimming pool for a couple of days, where are you going to park the trailer in the meantime? You just going to leave it parked in the street?
Good luck finding somebody to move your loaded trailer a hour down the road for $100 or so. I can't imagine anybody doing that unless they want to go broke.SL3406 Thanks this. -
Remember to say It’s not a swimming pool. It’s a stock pond.
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Dino, I agree with SmallPackage, you are overthinking this. Just get the trailer plated for interstate use, pull it with the truck - any truck and claim it is a farm move or rental if you are harassed. The chances are slim there will ever be anything said.
I have a large farm a few miles away, They lease 200 acres from me that 265 miles from the farm. They moved a lot of construction equipment (like a gradeall and dragline excavator to the property to stage it on my property for rental to a company that will use it to build a factory, all using farm trucks and farm trailers.Dino soar and SmallPackage Thank this. -
I know guys that run Arkansas farm plates some with IFTA most without. Some with commercial insurance (1500 is all they are saving this way really cost of the plate) some insured as their farm use only not for hire with a 7500 or less per year waiver signed so they don’t pay heavy road use tax. They pull cattle or by products all over be Jesus. It’s a way of traveling staying under the radar in plain sight. Mostly really nice newer trucks. Now I ain’t crazy bout how they’re doing it but it’s their bidness.
@Dino soar the way you’re describing your deal I would absolutely run a farm tag or single state tag as some call it at least at first to get a feel for how it’s gonna go. You may or may not adjust things as you go and find your needs changing here or there. I would just do what I needed to and see where you’re at. You own a truck no sense in not using it for your purpose do to some Mumbo jumbo technicality. I would get your DOT number and MC number off of it as any DOT stop will put anything found on them. I would make sure your state doesn’t require some sort of state DOT number etc. some do some don’t. I get you’re wanting to be compliant but don’t over think it. They won’t eat you and can’t take your birthday awayDino soar, SmallPackage, Oxbow and 1 other person Thank this. -
I also would move the equipment myself. However, if you're set on having someone else do it, I'd recommend letting them use their own trailer and eventually you will find a person you really like working with. As far as the cost to move your equipment, I would look at it like this:
1. If you're planning on doing your excavation work hourly (Time + Materials) just charge the customer what the hauler charges you and add 15%.
2. If you're planning on bidding your jobs, just add the mobilization (What the hauler charges plus 15%) into your bid.
Just be clear with the customer that there will be a cost to move equipment to the site and back to home base. Most people call it mobilization, and everyone I work for understands this. And if you have someone else haul your equipment, don't be a cheapskate. Find a good, reliable person. They will make you look better to your customers and enable you to keep a schedule - they will be worth the money. -
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