Horrible crash in Lakewood CO, I70 closed both directions. 12 vehicles 4 semi huge fire

Heavy, are you talking about whitebird, or whiteberg?? If whitebird, where is it located?

 

I should have clarified that it wasn't necessarily here I've seen the "it was just an accident."

 

White Bird Hill is going north from the Boise area.

 

Talk about easy...
I got my "Chauffeurs" in 1950 and grandfathered into CDL by a written airbrake test when it came in.
Only driving test was daddy setting me in the seat, pointing out the clutch and brake pedal on the farm tractor. Took it from there.

 

That's actually a good little training circle, as long as they had the gross weight up high enough. Steep and curvy enough you have to actually pay attention.

And it's at least 1 trip out of 3 that the 4 wheelers seem insistent on slowing you down before they manage to find the accelerator!

 

Between Riggins and Grangeville on US 95.

 

My instructors were very involved. About as much as the White Bird one is or was. A form of Battle Planning and run the hill with words before it's showtime. Trainee loved it. Ima fixing to imagine a CB handle Jackpot for his desire to get into 7th gear to get at 45 where possible. That would complete the 777 series for that mountain pass.

If a instructor sits and gives me nothing then he or she is not a instructor to me. I need a constant flow of information, how I think is working the problem in my mind quickly and deciding whats best if I knew a little bit before getting into trouble.

Even then I still had to go and "Run downhill and give her hell" to see for myself what is possible in case there is a day that the truck did get away from me. Just like taking the bobtail onto a 2 acre ice lot and skating circles and figure 8s in drifting long before it was popular with this young generation and their little cars. So that when it's ice in Wyoming and shes dancing, Im all over it. That information and muscle memory came in very handy without a thought needed when my spouse had that jackknife in ice west of Knoxville winter of 2000 and 2001 losing most of our 8 truck convoy into the median upgrade.

It's really good to read your experiences and learn about our differences if any. If you did well, then I celebrate your success in mountain work.

There is no reason this kid could not have been trained in mountain work with proper english comprehension and understanding that ramps etc are built just for him when the day came that he had a real need of it. But he did not use anything and killed people. I would have rather he swerved RIGHT and run off into a few buildings or a bridge pillar etc than people.

 

Idaho. Check the first video link.

 

Ok, must be the same one, for some reason I would have swore it was whiteberg.

 

It's 4 counts of vehicular manslaughter. And the Saturday's Hearing yesterday shows that more charges will be pending when the investigation understands the total violations that came out in this story. For example the overspeed at 85 mph. Or the running the pickup truck off the road prior etc. (Being scared etc is no excuse)

It's still murder, but in a defined way to divide the different kinds of murder or loss of life due to someone's accident, neglect or willful lifetaking, or even worse preplanned killing etc, those are Capital Murder Cases. But since Colorado does not have the death penalty the most possible is 1st degree.

On a shelf is a set of papers I was given ranging crimes from simple battery (Slapping a woman for example... or pulling hair (Assault) etc. All the way to Capital Murder. Each ladder step shows what is possible within Arkansas Law in Concealed Carry under License. That does not make me a lawyer, but it is alot easier to define a particular crime and possibly understand better what your options are against the bad guys. For example if someone came onto your property throwing burning ####tails against your house while carrying a shotgun going for the invasion of your home.. well. You have absolute and every right to take him out offensively which is only one of two specific acts covered by our law. The problem is on you to prove it in court.

It's just a example.