HOS, and PC

Nope. Where on fmcsa's site are you? That is not one of the limited options.
You are likely reading the provision of being able to go from a shipper/reciever to a safe location. That is shipper/reciever only though.

That said go across the street in violation. Put a note on the logs and if you get in trouble for that miner of a violation you need a nrw company anyway.
Just don't make a habit yot.

 

Being loaded has no effect. You are not moving for personal reasons though. It also gives a list of accepted moves and moving from a full truck stop to an empty one is not one of them.

The only thing close is like I stated. Getting kicked out of a shipper/reciever after they detain you over hours.
Everything else is 100% Personal as in the first word of personal conveyance. If you can't do it in a car it cannot be done in PC in a truck. Ie. grocery shopping, restaurant, etc.

 

I'm going to disagree: FMCSA has given an EXAMPLE of what PC can be used for in the case of the driver that is detained by a shipper or receiver.

Although other examples of being detained in a place without parking are not specifically mentioned, drivers can be detained in other situations, and the same logic can be applied. Get detained in customs, or at a repair shop: if the same logic is applied, PC is acceptable.

Or course, to the nearest safe place. Which might well be across the street.

 

Most of the time someone hands down a glittering new regulation designed to help truckers.

Only the powers that be up there in the top ivory tower leadership of DOT, FMCSA etc have not ever touched a 18 wheeler in their lifetime. It's compounded by many newbies intend to read all about the new rules and take off for California in three days straight through (Actually it's 62 hours flat with one fuel stop. From Avenel NJ to Armarillo Tx (Shamrock Alternative) hours Teams can do this in 62 hours with a 63 mph governed truck. Wife and I Did that with FFE. It's a fine example how to pretend to run the USA twice in about 129 hours flat out of the total 140 lawful HOS working hours allowed to you two.)

And make diddly squat dooley doing it. FFE probably raked in 6000 dollars to 10,000 but we aint seen a dime of it. That's why we arranged a little bit of a domestic one afternoon in LA and made sure that the staffers cut us loose so we can run and make some real money. But we had a fine 6 week time of our life flipping the USA twice a week. Supposed to be around 5540 miles at .75 a mile to the truck. Somewhere in the region of 4400 dollars weekly.

Since I was a salary trainer raking in 1500 (Gross was around 2230 or so) a week no matter what that truck did, it was perfectly legal for FFE to put the 2170 a week back into the bank, Times 6 weeks 7 at absolute most you are looking at about $15190.00 unpaid. BECAUSE I was on a #### salary and trainee got her miles rate abvoe a minimum of 300 each week. (Gross)

Once or twice I caught her crying a little bit over money. If it is one thing she is extremely good at it's money, wages and so on. USMC taught her #### good. But to hear a full grown spirited scot weep while hoping I didnt hear that (Scots are thrifty people.. really tight fisted) and understand for her this life is not anywhere near enough and she was being muled. In other words not trained. But used up as a teammate. (MWAH thank you Mrs Trainee you are awesome in your 6th week of your 12 fantastic outstanding weeks with your trainer.)

Only she and I and two peole within the FFE structure knew we aint trained ####. Just rolled that truck like a all out team. And #### we were a good team. It's not the money I can tell you that.

You still want to be invovled in this trucking? *Sweeps arm across the room... welcome. God help you.

 

X1, there are no new regulations with PC, it is an advisory and that's it. Nothing has changed except the need now to define it thanks to the FMCSA and those who were crying to get them to tell us what it means.

 

Thank you kindly for the clarification.

 

While I see where you are coming from, consider this.
We've had LEO's come here and state that guidance has the force of law and that they only allow the exact wording of the guidance. No extra scenarios are even considered.

And of course it is just guidance. An LEO can ignore it as they want (as per department policy of course). As it is a very grey area and doesn't have the force of law (as per the American Bar Association).

In a nutshell advising anyone it's fine and nothing will happen is bad advice. Advise people sure, but don't claim it's fine under the law when it's not. In this case will anything happen? Unless the driver really pisses off an LEO then no. Of course if the driver pisses off an LEO that much he will find something wrong be it logs, mechanical, etc.