HOS, Is Daily Off Duty missing in this graph

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  1. Moorti_i

    Moorti_i Bobtail Member

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    Hey guys,

    Ontario Safety guide says " Daily off-duty time must include two hours that do not form part of an eight-consecutive-hour", should there be a break taken before the duty ends? Day started 5.30 am and ended at 7.30 pm. Next day again 5.30 am duty starts. Please see the attached sample graph (note the radius is over 160 km)
     

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  2. magoo68

    magoo68 Road Train Member

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    All good that way you’re within all your clocks .. you need 10 off before you can roll again
     
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    Moorti_i Bobtail Member

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  4. tinytim

    tinytim Road Train Member

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    10 consecutive meets the requirement.
     
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  5. Zeviander

    Zeviander Road Train Member

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    10 hours off-duty is required during every 24 hour period in Canada (deferral is allowed, but complicated to get right on paper).

    Without complicating things further, this time can either be (1) 10 consecutive hours off-duty, or (2) a period of no less than 8 hours consecutive off-duty and another period up to 2 hours, separated into as many as 4 different 30 minute (minimum) blocks of time.

    If you take any or all of those 30 minute blocks, it will extend your shift time by the amount of off-duty time you inserted throughout the day (took 1.5 hours off, shift clock now extends to 15.5 hours) to a maximum of 16 hour shift length.

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    In conclusion, the times are good (not sure about the distances, don't feel like doing the math, lol) but hot darn, you need to get yourself a straight edge and a sharper pen. You have a disconnected line at 12:15-12:30 and most DOT and MOT officers these days will pull out the magnifying glass to pick apart your book to find a ticket, since most companies run elogs.

    A neat and tidy logbook and they'll likely just hand it back and say have a good day. A few extra minutes every day keeping the lines straight could save you 30-60 minutes at a scale.
     
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  6. alden2007

    alden2007 Bobtail Member

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    It’s just going from bad to worst and hurting the little guy
     
  7. Moorti_i

    Moorti_i Bobtail Member

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    Thanks Zeviander and tinytim,

    I somewhat understood 10 hours off duty rule in 24 hours, but this example from MTO handbook confusing me. Why the second graph considered violation, where driver was off 8 consecutive hours before starting at 5am, then additional 2 hours off at 7-9pm.
     

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    tinytim Road Train Member

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    umm, you got me stumped right now.

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  9. Zeviander

    Zeviander Road Train Member

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    Uhh... I have no idea why that would be a violation.

    You need 10 hours off for each 24 hour period. Can't be split into anything that isn't a 8 and 2 hour block (2 hours can be combination of up to 4x 30 minute blocks). If you split, then it extends your day clock by the amount of time taken off-duty within the 16-hour window.

    That's the rules, this page is wrong. :confused:
     
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  10. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

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    Yeah, I'm not see what they are calling a violation. They seem to be suggesting you can't take 10 consecutive off, but you absolutely can. At least, under NSC Standard 9 those are the rules. Are Ontario-only (intraprovincial) rules different?
     
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