HOS new rules

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Beaver9, Sep 21, 2020.

  1. Beaver9

    Beaver9 Light Load Member

    Jun 15, 2020
    I just looked briefly at the new rules. And you still need to be 10 hrs off either way. Just the break. How does it help? It doesn't do much. Or I am not understanding it.
    In effect on Sept. 29th.
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  3. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

    Sep 10, 2010
    Flint, MI
    Well, there is the extra free hour of work if you want to split sleeper....
    The 30 doesn't help most OTR, I agree. However OTR drivers are only a portion of drivers that follow HOS's. To name a few segments it will help. Flatbedders, Bulk tankers, liquid tankers, LTL, Local, yard dogs, some regional, and a bunch more. All have not driving time that's typically on duty that can count to the 30 minute break.
  4. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

    Apr 12, 2016
    For an average OTR or regional driver:
    1. It helps quite a bit by the 3/7 or 7/3 sleeper split.
    2. Combining a 30 minutes break with on duty time - while nothing new per common practice - at least will take this little "cheating the law" burden from, I guess, the most normal folks.
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  5. StrokerTSi

    StrokerTSi Medium Load Member

    Aug 28, 2016
    If they really wanted to help they'd get rid of the 14hr window to drive.
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  6. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

    Apr 12, 2016
    Yes. Yes. Yes.....and 70 per 8 days too.
    Unfortunately, those who are in charge of deciding what HOS should be, are not the ones who know what it is like out here.
    They think that spending a lot of time at truck stops brings necessary rest.
    I laugh at them like a child:
    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
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  7. JonJon78

    JonJon78 Road Train Member

    Jul 1, 2018
    You guys won't be satisfied until they allow you to work 24 hours a day at the same pay level. Good grief, if you can't make enough money in 14 hours find another line of work.

    The hours are already way to long.
  8. Cattleman84

    Cattleman84 Road Train Member

    Nov 1, 2017
    The Sticks, Idaho
    Read the new regulations very carefully concerning the split berth changes....

    From FMCSA website (emphasis added)....

    Sleeper Berth Provision
    Modifies the sleeper berth exception to allow a driver to meet the 10-hour minimum off-duty requirement by spending at least 7, rather than at least 8 hours of that period in the berth and a minimum off-duty period of at least 2 hours spent inside or outside the berth, provided the two periods total at least 10 hours, and that neither qualify period counts against the 14-hour driving window.

    Nowhere does it say that either of the portions of split berth period can't be LONGER. But it does say that NEITHER portion counts toward the 14 hour clock.

    I pretrip (.25 hours) and drive to reciever (6.5 hours) using 6.75 hours of the 14. I then sit on the dock for 6 hours either off duty or sleeper berth... This 6 hours doesn't count to the 14, provided I take at least 7 hours in the sleeper berth at the end of my day. Taking that into account I still have 7.25 hours left on my 14 instead of 1.25 hours that I would have on the current HOS.

    This means that since I'm wide awake, because i took a 4 hour nap while being unloaded, I can still drive for 4.5 hours using the last of my 11 hour clock, then go off duty to get a shower and a meal call the family ect... Say this takes 3 hours, then go to sleeper berth for 7 hours. Once that 7 hours has passed I will have a full 11 and 14 for the next day.

    Basically the way it is written the split berth can be used as a "pause" for the 14 hour clock. Until they say that one or both portions of the split berth CANT be longer this will work as I explained it.

    So if you have been wanting to PAUSE the 14 hour clock this split berth is what you have been wanting... BUT it can only be used if you have a sleeper truck, so it really only helps OTR drivers.
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  9. sirjeff

    sirjeff Medium Load Member

    Dec 1, 2013
    Kelowna, BC
    I agree to a part - but there are other motivations for running a longer day....
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  10. MysticHZ

    MysticHZ Road Train Member

    May 28, 2010
    It's even simpler than that ... A break of at least 2 hours now stops the 14 ... Roll into a shipper with 1 hour left on the 14, they take 2 to unload and you have your hour left to go find a home for the night.

    Felling a little tired, want to take a nap
    .. shut down for 2 and lose non of your 14.

    Want to stop and have nice lunch, take couple of hours and lose non of your 14.

    The only downside I see is with on duty time counting towards the 30 ... More idiots will sit in the fuel island getting a 30.
  11. User666

    User666 Medium Load Member

    Sep 22, 2020
    Northeast Ohio
    The fact that I will finally be able to stop the clock makes me happy. It will help tremendously.
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