HOS new rules

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  1. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    The newly updated HOS are somewhat complex to grasp from a programmer's point of view.
    They have to deal with a lot more of scenarios, not only involving split break combinations but also if a user has a sleeper or not.
    For them to update their existing software reflecting all the changes and make it bug free so soon, might not be that simple.
    Keep Truckin made it possible to resume work after 7 hours sleeper the same way it was possible to do it after 8 hours split before.
    I did not have the opportunity to see what I does after the first 7 hours break is succeeded by 3 hours break yet. One thing for sure, no 14 hour clock extension after 2+ break, if taken first.
     
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  3. TallJoe

    TallJoe Road Train Member

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    The more convoluted HOS the more bug prone ELDs get.
    Needless to say, paperlogs would handle even more complex tasks than that.

    What an idiot back in early 2000s decided that HOS back then, so simple, innocent and clear as a spring water, had become obsolete?
     
  4. mathematrucker

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    The hardest part for programmers is understanding the FMCSA's descriptions. The HOS rules themselves are extremely simple to program into a computer.
     
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  5. jammer910Z

    jammer910Z Road Train Member

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    Don't let them mess with your head.
    You're normal.
    I think those of us that have done this for so long just have something deep in our brain that never turns off about driving.

    I have the same dream about trucking.
    I take a curve too fast... tire drops off the shoulder and the load shifts and the longest, drawn out rollover on earth commences.
    SLOW MOTION.

    I don't drive that way... have never been close to rolling one.
    Still... repeatedly it visits me and it's REAL.
     
  6. TallJoe

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    Yes. It is simple when you do it from scratch. When you need to implement changes into the existing code, it can get messy. Depending, of course, how it was designed in the first place.
    I've done some extensive VB projects, SQL server projects in my youth, so I can imagine.
    But yes. Definitely understanding what is meant by FMCSA here is the biggest challenge.
     
  7. mathematrucker

    mathematrucker Medium Load Member

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    Yeah I get the one where you take a curve too fast and go off the shoulder down an embankment somewhere that resembles Wyoming. The only time I ever thought I might roll in real life was when I missed a yellow 45 sign and went about 55 through a moderately tight curve approaching the GWB in the northbound lanes of the New Jersey turnpike hauling a tanker full of liquid. All I could do was nervously grip the wheel and hope for the best. I was still a newbie at the time and hadn't driven that stretch very many times. I got through the curve and never took it that fast again.
     
  8. mathematrucker

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    Fair enough---I understand how even one tiny change can have extreme consequences for the code, but in the worst case it seems to me they can rewrite the whole section of the program involving HOS compliance from scratch if need be. However, I'll admit, I'd have to see the actual code to know for sure what all is involved.

    I've done numerous hobby projects involving several programming (and a few scripting) languages, including C, Java, PHP, Javascript, Python, and MySQL. My only programming job was in the book-publishing industry for 15 months in 1997-98 writing plain TeX, a technical typesetting language invented in the 1970s by a famous computer scientist at Stanford named Donald Knuth.
     
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  9. Dino soar

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    Okay I was reading about this new rule last night.

    According to what I read it works like this:

    Say you start work at 6 a.m. you drive until 12 pm and then you take an 8-hour break. That 8-hour break pauses your clock.

    So since you used 6 hours before your break, you have eight hours remaining because the 14 hr clock was paused.

    So it is 8 p.m. after your 8 hour break. You have hours until 4 a.m.

    If you take your two hours at 4 a.m. your 14-hour clock restarts.

    But here is the important part.

    Your 14-hour clock starts at the end of the first break that you took (8pm). NOT at the end of the second break.

    So your 14-hour clock would restart from 8 p.m. meaning you have hours now until 10 am.
     
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  11. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Actually it was majority of the 435 idiots in the House along with their 100 idiot counterparts in the Senate that forced the FMCSA to change the HOS.
     
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