Hours of Service Local route drivers

The 12 is still broken down to 11h+15m+30m+15m.

And just because it's broken down that way. Doesn't mean it's actually going to get used that way. Cuz chances are practically NILL that it will get used that way.

Part of that 11 is going to be onduty, not driving. Or it could be most of that 11 is getting used as on duty. Heck, that 11 might be used entirely onduty.

Doesn't matter how it's used. That's how it's broken down. And if you don't exceed 12 hours. There's no log for the day.

100 miles. OR 150 miles. No logs.
Less then 12 hours. No logs.

The 12 is broken down. And that's the math used for the breakdown. There's no logistics for making it work that way. That's just the way it is.

Now it may not be every state rule. But that's the rule around here. And it was that way before the hos changed in 2004. And before the 30 got added. And it has nothing to do with the 2 companies being older then GOD. Because it's not just those 2 companies.

There's obviously rules you guys aren't finding. So GOD must have it right. As they're they ones who have to answer to audits.

Find the rules for the 12 hour short haul exemption to logs. Not rules that we all already know that pertain to eld's.

You guys are arguing points that's already known. Everyone knows how the hos works and the eld works and all that jazz. But what you can't explain. Is how the 12 is broken down. Everything else is mute and doesn't really matter. Not even the 11 hours drive that ISN'T going to happen

 

No, it's not. It has been explained to you, and if you choose to continue to believe a lie so be it. The 12 hour work day has absolutely NOTHING to do with a 30 minute break (which isn't required) or a 15 minute pre + post trips (which there are no times specified anywhere in the regulations for the duration of those activities). Those companies were full of crap, and so are you because what you are saying has absolutely ZERO basis in the regulations and is nothing more than hearsay from people just as clueless as you are. Repeating your lie won't make it any less of a lie.

I don't HAVE to "find" the rules for short haul, and those rules haven't changed with the advent of ELd's (other than being exempt from needing an ELD if you qualify for the short haul exemption for all but 9 or more days out of any 30 day period). You must start & end at the same location and stay within a 100 air-mile radius. You must be released from duty within 12 hours. You must have 10 hours off. You cannot drive more than 11 hours. Your employer must maintain a record of your hours worked. That's it. Don't believe me? §395.1(e).

 

No, no there is not.
Unless you have some magic book written in invisible ink or something along those lines.

Just because you were taught wrong, and choose to bury your head in the sand and think wrong, doesn't mean the laws are not in black and white. I've already given a link, but here it is again....

So, go read eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations and let us know where the 12 hour breakdown actually is....

While that's the official regs, here is what I see as an easier to read link to the regs. 49 CFR Part 395 - HOURS OF SERVICE OF DRIVERS

 

You all will argue ‘bout darn near anything. I run under the short haul exemption. All of my day is logged on duty not driving (only because the company I’m leased to requires a log). Who cares what went through the rule makers minds as how they came up with the 12. 12 is what we have.

 

Just a random newbie question, I am sort of confused with the "local' hours of service. Eg: I know for interstate deliveries we have to follow the 11/14/8/30 (min)/60/70 hour periods but I read online somewhere that with intrastate deliveries (eg: 80 hours 8 day period we follow 16 hour clock, 12 hour drive time, 8 hour with a mandatory 30 minute breaks). From reading some of your comments it seems as if we have a 12 hour max? Would that mean we would only have 10 hours if we operate in a 60 or 70 hour period? Or would it be 12 hours drive time with a 14 hour total clock?

 

Local.
12 hours or paper log graph will be required. Not to exceed 14.
The breakdown as it's been told to me by my various boss's.
11 drive. 30 lunch. 15 pre and post trip. =12.

Others on here will have different breakdowns.

And I could be wrong. But seems like it was posted on here we're exempt from the 30.

You don't have to take it. But it's still figured in to the 12.

60 if your company only rolls 6 days a week.
70 if rolling every day of the week.

My last local before the recession. Was 60.
But the transport driver would sometimes work on Sunday's.

 

The 12 hour max is only if you want to do time cards vs. graph log. If you always do graph logging (either paper or ELD) it does not apply to you.
To simplify the qualification you must meet 3 criteria to use time card. If you don't meet any one, you can still graph log with the normal 11/14/70/30 clocks.

1. Start and stop at same location
2. 12 hours on duty / driving total max per day.
3. 100 air mile radius, unlimited driving inside the radius

 

Once a winter or so our esteemed Governor sees fit to declare a propane shortage and the trucks are to keep moving regardless of HOS limits. Its usually a really big deal when those orders come down.

 

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the drivers driving the bobtail propane trucks are classified as "Driver-salesmen".
The people driving the semi's are subject to the standard rules.
I've known several propane companies that the "official" job title for the delivery bobtail drivers on all paperwork was "Driver-salesman".