Hours of service questions and answers

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by LogsRus, Oct 26, 2008.

  1. Autocar

    Autocar Road Train Member

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    The regs provide that correction edits may be made. It also states that those edits are to be traceable. Those corrections, or edits, should be restricted to the safety or log personnel.
     
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  3. chalupa

    chalupa Road Train Member

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    My former dispatchers were given the password to Q.C........whoops! they weren't supposed to make hours for drivers to cover loads......carrier changed the passwords and slapped the dispatchers hand.

    BUT IF I DID THAT AND GOT CAUGHT...............lol
     
  4. Treebutcher

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    Can someone help me with a legit strategy for team drivers at around 5 on and 5 off?
    I don't think it is possible but not sure.

    Edit: I'm thinking 8 and 8 is about the best can be done.
    Edit: BTW, Husband and Wife team.
    Just trying to sort this for posterity.
     
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  5. JIMROY

    JIMROY Medium Load Member

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    i am going team , we will drive 10 on 10 in sleeper and burn up the other hours fueling , showers , and food or playing cribbage.... lol , that reminds me to pack my crib board. at 10 hours driving you can stay inside a 70 hour 8 day week and always have 10 hours available for the next days driving.....
     
  6. Meltom

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    It does get interesting, I my self am disgusted in what I've seen happen. The system is inherently flawed because ultimately people can do whatever they want with the logs. However if you correct a log to show the correct person driving and the correct person in the sleeper your are just correcting a log. If you change it to remove violations, hide drive time, or just to gain hours, you are more than likely falsifying. Elogs will not solve anything if you do not have people of high caliber as the only ones that can change logs.
     
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  7. Cat sdp

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    Maybe no edits or corrections is the way to control office personnel . Seems like a conflict of interest to me at least.
     
  8. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    problem would be when drivers do things like switch to on duty to see if they have hours. I get 3 to 5 calls a week about that.

    Driver: Not sure why I don't have hours.
    Me: You switched to on duty 4 times last night
    Driver: I must have hit the wrong button
    Me: Oh, ok.... so you hit select, driver logs, change duty status, arrowed down 4 times, pressed selected, pressed yes, pressed ok, pressed yes, then pressed yes on accident.
    Driver: Um, the computer did it by itself.
     
  9. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    you should be able to contact your log department or someone within your company to have this edited for you.
    Is there no one in your company doing this?
    If your log is showing you on "ANY" STATUS that you are not really on, it needs to be edited immediately to avoid false logs by DOTor log dept. If it's false and you get stopped by dot they willcalculate your logs based off the status you should of been on. So if it shows you driving and you was sleeper, this could result in a false log. They don't care what you have to say, it's what your log shows is what they care about. This could result in you/driver being in an hours of service violation and false log, regarldess what your e-logs summary shows.
    Out come thedriver has 2 serious violations. 1 false and 1 hours of service violations or possibly more. Depending on the severity of the hours ofs service violation, 3 hours or more is a minimum fine of 2,500.00. Total points on CSA2010 14x3=42 points. Not good for a driver. The company will have these violations on their profile as well.


    I stress this to drivers daily! The e-logs is your logs, its the driver responsibilty to make sure your duty status reflects the true and accurate status for every 1 minute or w/e you log by. Your log dept should be willing to work with you to make sure your log reflects the true and accurate status. You have to tell us what it should be though. If you feel your status is correct and logs is not willing to help you, then you need to go higher up in the chain! understand we have to be very careful when editing your logs because we can go to prison for helping you falsify your logs if it's discovered so we are on edge aboutt this :).
    logging hte correct duty status from off,sleeper,driving, on-duty and off duty driving (if you have that) is very critical down to the minute if you are logging by the minute or 5 minutes or 15 minutes.
     
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  10. Meltom

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    On the version of people net that we run we it tracks by the second, however to the driver it displays by the minute. This causes issues where drivers are starting anywhere from 1 to 60 seconds too early. It's very frustrating for both the driver and the log department. Another thing to be aware of, is to figure out exactly how it works. If you are moving but have not gone further than the ACDS limit it might take your driving all the way back to the moment you started moving the truck. So if you break is over in 3 minutes, and you leave the area you are parked in thinking, I'll have to wait for that light, and then get up to speed so I'll kill those 3 minutes... you might have another thing coming. Ours will change you back to the moment the truck started moving, unless you manually change to driving 1.9 (or less I suppose) into starting your day. You'll want to be careful about doing this also because the GPS marker will show exactly where you changed your status (within 300 feet). Elogs are good, but if you staff isn't going to draw a line in the sand and stick to the regulations than they aren't doing you any good. If they buckle to the pressure but on them by ops, you might as well be running paper. I keep preaching that it's easier for us to keep a consistent hard line than it is for us to allow people to break the rules and develop bad habits, and it always ends up in a some crazy talk about driver intent. It's my opinion that it's not our job to figure out the intent, it's our job to audit the logs to see if regulations are being followed or not, and a jury can figure out the intent if bad comes to worse.

    Ok, I'm gonna go take my crazy pills now and try not to spazz on eLogs any more. Peace out, log it as you do it, and drive safely.
     
  11. ironpony

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    While we're at it, let's make all paper log pages serialized with a control number. Wouldn't want the paper logs guys changing their story... OOPS! That's why we don't like elogs. Harder to make the story fit the crime!!
     
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