how can i overide the engine shut down on a 2012 cascadia

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by jefflouk, Jul 10, 2011.

  1. olphart

    olphart Medium Load Member

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  3. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    I've been lookin for quite some time now for the proper person to jerk a knot in their tail about that but unfortunately, the idle timer is probly there to stay and to my knowledge, the only way to make it idle is when the outside temp is above and below the hi and low temp. As far as the APU, you'll have to pay for it if you want wanna those.
    That's just it, they have it set like that on purpose so in a sense, it is company dictated. The only reason really why that timer is there in the first place is to appease the emissions laws of California. What doesn't make sense is that my tractor is US EPA Smart-Way certified and has a sticker on the door that reads "certified clean idle" and has a picture of the state of California right in the middle of it so I outta be exempt but I guess not. Also, because of the DPF, my exhaust is way cleaner than the reefer so go figure......
    I woulda referred that but I forgot that those faster truck modules claim to let you idle whenever you want, for how ever you want.
     
  4. mustang970

    mustang970 Road Train Member

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    I have the same issue, I have a 10 pound weight that I set on the brake pedal, its just enough to trip the switch and computer thinks your foot is on the brake.
    Tried the parking brake released and trailer brakes set trick, that works, but if bobtailing have to use other methods, thats when I tried the weight on the brake pedal.
    Works with parking brake set.
     
  5. dave26027

    dave26027 Road Train Member

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    When electronic engines first came out, J B Hunt monitored idle time with a system called "Tripmaster". You had to download info from a system that used a cassette tape to store stats. We used to find a stick to hold the clutch pedal down (jammed between the seat and clutch pedal) and put the trans in top gear with the trl brakes set to keep the system from showing idle. They would yank your fuel bonus for idle above a set percentage each month.

    Now companies use the anti-idle laws as an excuse to save fuel at your expense. They could not care any less about the worker in the truck. From the air conditioned office they don't see any problem.

    Once a sleazy company like CRE gets you in a Lease-Purchase contract, they own you. Never forget that debt is indentured servitude. As long as you have a truck payment and are purchasing products and services from a Motor Carrier you are "motivated" to behave as the company thinks you should. They can profit from O/O turnover and even may encourage it. After you go broke, they will sell your debt for the balance of the contract for a discount to a debt collector and forget you. Meanwhile, your Lease-Purchase tractor gets resold. Again.. And again.. And again..

    Point is, they want your leased tractor to be in the best possible shape at all times so they don't have to waste shop time repairing it before selling it again. I believe that is the real reason companies aren't letting O/O's idle equipment they are buying.

    You're in a dirty, rude business. Fight back or live cowering with your tail tucked under. I say CRE's Corporate office should have the H/AC set in the building to match your environment. We know it won't happen, they couldn't stand to work under such rude conditions. You shouldn't be expected to either.
     
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  6. celticwolf

    celticwolf Road Train Member

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    Central has idle restrictions, but I also have an ICON on my truck that allows the idle.. Turn the icon on and the running lights and it will idle till it runs out of fuel... Course my paycheck will reflect that mistake, but I can idle it all day.. :biggrin_25521:
     
  7. corneileous

    corneileous Road Train Member

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    You actually thought that was a good idea leaving the truck unattended with it in gear, with a stick wedged between the clutch and the seat??...... Ooooookie dokie.....
    England may give you grief about excessive idling but they don't expect you to roast in that truck. If you are a L/O, they really don't give you grief, just tell you every now and then what your idle percentage is just as a reminder that idling is affecting your income.

    That's an interesting and amusing read but the reason they prefer idling to be limited is because it consumes fuel. You can burn up to a gallon of fuel an hour depending on how fast you idle the motor. When its for company drivers, that adds to the fuel bill for the company. When you have a lot of trucks in your fleet, that can make for a larger fuel bill to pay for. For lease ops and owner ops, its still more fuel to buy, but excessive idling affects your paid mile per gallon which can affect your fuel cap price or how much you end up paying per gallon of fuel if your on the rebate.

    But all in all, mechanical wear and tear of idling is no concern. It's fuel. They don't mind if you idle, just as long as its done when necessary and when yer in the truck.

    I can idle all day too, if its above 65 which is when for some people, you need to idle. As far as winter time goes, I have a bunk heater. If I'm concerned about running the batteries down, I have a charging cable I can run from the reefer battery to the truck jump posts and keep the batteries charged.
     
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  8. musicgal

    musicgal Road Train Member

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    If you are just sitting there, watch for the "check engine" light to come on in about 5 minutes.....then push the clutch in.....this is according to the manual and your truck will keep running without having to set the cruise control.
     
  9. PackRatTDI

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    Every so often my trucks starter won't turn over after shutting it off. I found that if I hit the shutdown override before I crank it, it will fire up. I guess there's a glitch in the ECU. I figure with 923k on the odo, the engine is entitled to be a little eccentric.
     
  10. TruckingJohn

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    You just answered my question as well. My company just gave me a 2012 Cascadia a couple days ago and I just now wondered about the idle shutdown. Turning on the cruise control and hitting the Dec/Set button did the trick. Apparently, it need to idle 200 RPM's higher than when you're just sitting for 5 minutes then leaving. Thanks for the info. I didn't feel much like weeding through the owners manual to look for it.
     
  11. TruckingJohn

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    Actually, there's another disadvantage to idling. From what I understand, when you take your truck to the dealer for a warranty claim, they check the hours on the engine. Once it reaches a certain threshold, your warranty is expired. Many companies have had issues with the engine hours causing the warranties to expire before the mileage threshold is reached. If I'm wrong on that, feel free to correct me.
     
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