How do pressure building valves actually work?

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  1. speedyk

    speedyk Road Train Member

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    They told me to open them while unloading, wondering what they really do. One is labelled a PB Bypass which is a little confusing.
     
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  3. Pedigreed Bulldog

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    Assuming on a tank. Pneumatic or liquid tank? If liquid, you need to open a vent while pumping out the product to prevent creating a vacuum as the product is pumped out. That vacuum can and will suck in the walls of the tank.
     
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    speedyk Road Train Member

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    On liquid nitrogen tanker. These seem to be secondary on this kind of tank, unlike pneumatic.

    I've been thinking that they have something to do with boiling off to
    build pressure but can't quite put it together.
     
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    Can't help you, as I've never pulled those. Best I can do is tell you to look at the overall system and think about what has to happen to make it work, and the valve positions that make that happen...and then think about what cannot be allowed to happen, and the valve positions that make that happen. Every valve will perform a specific task, and is there for a specific reason. Take a step back and think for a spell and it'll make sense once you figure out how the system works.
     
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    Pressure builders work on a cryo trailer by allowing product to pass through the coils on the trailer and vaporizing or "boiling" it. This is necessary to keep positive pressure inside the vessel, which helps feed product to the cryo pump.
     
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    If there is two one would be for the coils and the other would be for the force feed. The force feed is used when there's little product left in the vessel but you need to build the pressure up. It works by bleeding off product from the pump back into the coils and thus raising the pressure.
     
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    Thank you @Cali kid . These trailers have a pressure builder, pressure builder bypass, and force feed valve which has a tiny pipe like the hose bleeders and now I understand why, appreciate it. The guys on site open the first two every time, rarely the force feed.
     
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    first fills into a warm receiver may require force feed until the new vessel cools down enough to hold the product in a liquid state.

    Liquid Carbonic had one O2 unit that used to recharge the O2 cylinders in Nuke subs one driver had the clearance to bring the one and only trailer on the wharf and hook onto the Nuke sub. kinda the reverse expanding the whole trailer of liquid into gas. I think it expands something like 800 to 1
     
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    A mole of gas expands to 22.4 liters at STP, which these gases are not at STP. A mole of H2O is 18grams and 18 cubic centimeters. Or .018 liters to 22.4 liters. From PV=nRT. Solving for V

    V=nRT/P

    The greater the Pressure the less volume. The lower the Temperature the less volume.
     
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    IMG_20180922_114639354.jpg For folks who haven't seen the back doors opened on an LNI trailer...
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