How long did you spend on logs in School/Training for your CDL?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by LogsRus, Apr 8, 2007.

How long did your School Instructor spend on logs?

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    0-30 Minutes

    16.7%
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    31-60 Minutes

    24.1%
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    61-90 Minutes

    13.0%
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    91-120 Minutes

    18.5%
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    120 or more (express how long in a post please :)

    35.2%
  1. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Oh I FRIED my computer big time, so I finally got a new one tonight (old/new :). It's working and I am so so so so happy. I missed you all so much, you don't even know how much.

    Yeah well if you have been good, I am going to assume you have been in some trouble :biggrin_255: So what's up with the split breaking? Did I make it worse on you? I will help you to understand it so you are not in trouble again :).

    Thanks I MISSED YOU ALL :yes2557:
     
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  3. Bayle

    Bayle Road Train Member

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    We actually did the 2 weeks on the logs. Because when we had to do the trip planning and everything it all had to be done on on a log as if we were actually driving it. The instructor also had us keep a log book up for those two weeks on our own. Meaning he had us log all of our own driving in our 4 wheelers, where ever we went.

    As for the second 10 weeks that is still school. Learning our backing manuevers, shifting, driving on the road etc... I am in my 15th week total, so I am not a "driver" yet, but getting close.
     
  4. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Well you are almost a driver:biggrin_25525: If you need any help on the logs just let me know!

    Have a happy Turkey day
     
  5. trailhiker

    trailhiker Bobtail Member

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    First of all, Thank you for the info and assistance you provide to everyone.
    We spent about 3/4 of a day on logs, HOS, DOT issue's and exercises. Overhead projectors in conjunction with a white board so the instructor could write as he explained.
    I do not understand the way a day can have a split break. That went right over me. I grasp the 11/14, 60/7 or 70/8 and how to keep up with it on a daily basis to help manage time. We were told if you have a letter from your company stating during your meal times such as lunch, that you are relieved of duty and that time can be logged off duty thus extending your day but not the actual hours permitted to work. T or F? Also we were told to do all paper work from the passengers seat so that time can be logged as on duty not driving.T or F? He told us anytime you are in the drivers seat you are on duty driving.
    I have read some explanations on this site for the split break. It's just not registering. Any and all help is appreciated. Thanks
     
  6. Matthews

    Matthews Medium Load Member

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    ROFL,
    Im thankful I started driving a LOG TRUCK in WV in the fields before I hit the DIRT ROADS to the MILL. That was at age 17. Alot like you Big Joe! I was told OH HELL, GET IN'ER KEEPER, IN 2nd AND KEEPER STRAIGHT. YOU'LL BE FINE.

    I wish I was TOLD how to APPLY the Parking break because I simply stuck the truck in N, and jumped out. Thinking the MUD would hold the truck in place. I was sadly mistaken! The TRUCK ran into a pile of MILL DUST or AKA: SOD to stop. Thank GOD it was no BODY or a CAR... lol

    - Matt
     
  7. ILMChris

    ILMChris Bobtail Member

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    I understand the technical way to do a split but I can't think of any practical use for it.

    LogsRUs might have a better explanation but:

    To do a split you must have taken at least 2 hours in the sleeper during your work day. You can then put 8 hours into your sleeper. Once that 8 hours in the sleeper is finished your 14 hour period begins again. However you may only drive 11 hours minus the hour you drove after your two hours in the sleeper. After that you have to get out of that cycle by taking 10 hours consecutive off duty.

    I tried to do one the other day but when it came down to it just made more sense to take the full 10 off in my situation. I imagine I'll see where it would make sense...like where I have a tight delivery time and a long wait in loading but a relatively short distance to travel. Something where two hours would make a difference.
     
  8. DLB

    DLB Bobtail Member

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    We spent about 2 hrs every 2 weeks on logs and then kept in practice through out the rest of the time in School. Instructor had a joke He loved to tell about a driver asking a DOT Officer why he had to have a Log Sheet He was not hauling Logs :biggrin_2559:
     
  9. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Ok the split breaking! Here we go, I will give you a shot:biggrin_2559:

    Lets go through a picture together. Below on the link click on it or copy and paste it into the website address bar and look at example one for right now.

    the driver started working # 10:00 am (which is a normal day starting for him/her) so his 14 has started and end's 14 hours later which would be 12:00 pm (right?). Now if a driver gets 8 hours in the sleeper or more they can EXTEND THEIR 14 hour by the number of hours in the sleeper (I DON'T USE STOP THE CLOCK, BECAUSE THE CLOCK ALWAYS TICKS/IT DOESN'T STOP).
    In this case he got 8 hours in the sleeper so I will count over 8 hours from 12:00 pm (his original 14 hour mark) so that makes the 14 hour end at 8:00 am the next day. Now the driving time from 10:00 am to 8:00 am should not total more than 11 hours of driving.
    So you see the driver drove up to 11 hours then took a 2 hour break (2 hour break will not extend the 14 hour clock). Now he has the 2 hour break & 8 hour break here goes the tricky BUT SO EASY PART!

    When split breaking after the 2nd break (being the 8 or 2 minimum) alwasy recalculate your 14 hour from the end of the previous break.
    so in this case after the 2 hour break, the driver would need to go to the end of the 8 hour break and count over 14 hours so 14 hours from 3:00 am (day 2) would make your 14 hour end # 5:00 pm. Now driving time you have already used 2 (the 2 prior to the 2 hour break) so you can now drive for 9 hours.


    Now look # the examples and see if you can find if there is violations or not.
    Just remember
    A. Always go to the end of the previous break and count over 14 hour and make a mark at the top of the log clock(breaks being the 2 or 8 minimum)
    B. Go to the end of the previous break and then look forward. Ask do you have 8 hours in the SLEEPER or more is fine?

    If yes: Count the # of hours in the sleeper and count over from the 14 hour mark you made in step A, make the new mark. That's when your 14 hour will end.
    If no: the final 14 hour window is going to stop where you made the mark on step A.
    C. Add up driving hours in between the 8 & 2 and subtract it from 11 and that's how many hours you have available to drive as long as the 14 allows you to drive them hours (usually you will get them in if you don't stop and go allot).
    ok ask questions, be back asap! :biggrin_2554:
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/hos-logbook-examples.htm
     
  10. CWiggy532

    CWiggy532 Bobtail Member

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    The one and only time I have used a 8/2 split was sort of legal but then again sort of not.
    I started my day in Seattle where I unloaded, had to drive to Portland for reload. I sat at the dock for 8 hours Really I did; waiting for 1 pallet. This was last year so I do not remember the name of the company but either way I got in a good nap. Now after the 8 hours I started driving and was stopped at Cascade Locks, OR and even the DOT cop said I was out of service yet when I explained the 8/2 split to him and he looked up the reg I was told I was correct :) Goodie for me.
    The only thing wrong was that I was waiting at a dock I should have logged that all line 4 on duty not driving right?
    I guess that would be practicle in a sence
     
  11. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    The only thing wrong was that I was waiting at a dock I should have logged that all line 4 on duty not driving right?

    No if they do not need you to assist in the loading and you can go to the sleeper while they load/unload you then go to the sleeper! Many customers do not want you around and you have no where to go except your truck and hey take advantage of the time and go to the sleeper to save on your 70 hour. It may set you up (as in your case it did) for split breaking.
    Now DOT knows it is going to take some time on line 4 to load/unload.
    Don't go off duty while at a customer.
     
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