Sounds like a normal day at the office...lol
keep truckin' on there farmer, you made it back home, your now within your farm exemption, no worries...
hopefully that 13 letter #### spreader does fine for ya, too fast for the field and too slow for the road...
How many rules/laws did I break?
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by nodak63, Apr 20, 2013.
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Okay my head is spinning here but I will try to list out all the issues you have.
1) No Fed-med card (medical certificate) for interstate travel. Not sure if you are grandfather in for Fed-Med purposes so if you are you would have been safe in North Dakota than.
2) No pre-employment drug testing done if you are going to be our own company/driver.
3) Sounds like Driver Qualification file done on yourself.
4) No DOT number meaning no temporary IFTA (fuel tax) reporting done or will be done
5) Driving without proper insurance
6) Operating a motor vehicle with no license plates and annual (current and valid) DOT inspection
7) Operating with no logbook (failure to retain the last 7 days)
8) Operating over the allowed hours-of-service
9) Per your post...did not complete the required pre-trip nor post-trip inspections
10) Exceeded the allowed driving limit per your admission by 2 hours (drive 11 hrs; you drove 14 hours)
11) Failed to take a 10 hour break after the 11th hour of driving
12) The time you spent on the plane would have been deemed "on-duty" since you were to immediately take control of the truck (dispatch) and did not take a 10 hour break once arrived in Chicago. If you didn't have to take control of the vehicle then the entire plane ride would have been classified as off-duty time. -
where do you people come up with the crap i read on here
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LMAO, I have agricultural plates on some of my trucks. You guys are way off base. The things you need for the trucking you do is worlds apart from farm or agricultural requirements. Yes ins., reg, CDL, the dot numbers and driver file is soo not needed. IFTA is ONLY for trucks hauling a payload. I have been through this many times with the cops and even the judges. You can get temp plates and a temp inspection from the state you buy the truck in. The log book is the sticking point, over the 150, no exemption. You do not need apportion plates, just ag plates to go in any state. No operating authority needed. That trailer was not loaded, and he is just bringing it home. Just need a copy of the bill of sale, or title to show its new to you (you have the title mailed to the owner and have a bill of sale made out to you for the cops in hand). Any lights or other defects to the vehicle not meeting DOT safety standards are still consequential. Good luck man, keep going till ya have to comply!
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He was operating as a not for hire. So all that is not true. No one answered my question. What if someone wanted to purchase a tractor trailer rig strictly for personal use? Driving it the dentist, store and perhaps transporting personal belongings. Would they need apportioned plates, a DOT number, medical, class A CDL, and log book? I don't think so. I know it's a very unlikely scenario but I'm sure someone in America drives a class 8 as a personal vehicle. Heck I've seen a tractor trailer RV before. The rig pulls a trailer that's the RV.
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Well to answer your question, I had to go to the DOT bureau of compliance for a hearing one time. I asked them this same thing. They told me it had to be set up as a RV. I said that makes no sense. I told them of my wifes pick up truck, 2005 F-350 single wheel crew cab with a gvw of 11,000 or 13,000lbs ( I cant remember it was over the 10,000 limit). He told me "No one buys a big truck like that for personal use." I wanted to know what business use a pick up box could be used for? No answer. The problem is the cost of defending your self from the tyranny of government. I have a great attorney in the family so I have been lucky when it has come time to fight certain things.
ETA; Also in the book getting your CDL from NYS it states you do not need a CDL to drive a commercial vehicle over 10,000lbs. if it is for personal use. I really want to see the look on the cops face when you show him your car license.
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I don't think you guys are aware of the different classes of vehicle registration. I met a guy from Texas in Primm, NV last year who had a customized Pete 379 pulling a customized box car trailer. The tractor was just the standard 379 tractor with sleeper and the trailer had been modified to have a living quarters up front and in the back he carried two classic cars that he took to car shows. He told me the Pete and trailer were also entered in truck shows. Plates said Recreational Vehicle. No IFTA, no DOT #, no MC #, nada, zilch. He drove the tractor and his family rode with him. He said that he had a CDL as he was a retired truck driver but only because it was required to operate the large combination with air brakes. He also told me that each base plate state had different rules and regulations concerning what could be registered as a private vehicle or RV. He said it was really fun and amusing to blow past scale houses because several times he'd been chased down only to have the officer end up looking dumb.
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Just strap a bag of Northrop king,corn seed to the fifth wheel and say your a farmer if you get pulled over and you'll be ok
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By definition, he is "Intrastate-Exempt" and doesn't require a med card.
As far as driving the equipment home, he can haul new-purchase equipment used for farm / special harvest and stay within the scope of his farm exemption, even if it's outside of the 150 mile air radius, as long as he was empty, or not hauling for hire, there's no issue. At least according to the FMCSA and North Dakota.DriverToBroker Thanks this.
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