How much do you have in it ?

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  1. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    I'm curious from brokers how do you interpret this ? http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/371.3 ?

    backstory - today I booked a load, the broker told me he could only bill the customer 3970.00. We agreed on a rate to me of 3800.00. It was a little slim for me, 1.95/mile, but what are you gonna do ? I was in a spot to make a deal.

    Anyway, the rate confirmation came and I noticed who the customer was. One whom is known for paying well. I just could not believe they would be paying less than 2.50/mile on this shipment and probably closer to 3.00. So I sent the broker an email requesting proof of the amount they were receiving and supplied the link to this FMCSA code. He called back stuttering and stammering that in his 3 years experience had never been asked and would have to consult his manager. No problem, take your time, it's the law.

    A little more back and forth with phone calls and emails, I remained composed and professional. I got him to put in an email at least that 3970 was all they were getting. I said I just wanted to make sure he hadn't made a mistake, that it would be easy to get confused if one load was paying 3970 and another was paying 5270 or something. I guess I was hoping that he would say, "Oh, you know what, I did make a mistake. This load is actually paying $4970. And I would have been happy to haul it for an adjusted rate of course." Didn't think there was a great chance of this happening, but that's what I was going for. But I told him I honor my rate confirmations and was ready to give him good service on this load, but that I would be following up and asking to review their record as required by the FMCSA code.

    Wouldn't you know it, the load cancelled ? I expected this to happen, I figured I was at risk of losing the load all along. I was just curious enough to try it. I guess I have to realize if I demand brokers don't lie to me I will not get many loads from brokers. I was just curious how some of you would handle that ?
     
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  3. passingthru69

    passingthru69 Road Train Member

    I give you credit for putting their feet to the fire. Sucks you lost the ld. though
     
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  4. Six9GS

    Six9GS Road Train Member

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    Kind of a shame we don't all ask for the confirmation so that a broker wouldn't expect that they may be able to screw us over like that. He cancelled on you so he could screw someone else. If we all behaved like you did, he wouldn't have been able to screw someone else!
     
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  5. 30-aught-6

    30-aught-6 Light Load Member

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    I challenge every OWNER OPERATOR,to put this little "CLAUSE"in there CONTRACT and i bet RATES WILL CHANGE IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS,awww shooot what do i know im just a TRUCK DRIVER, going very FAR,but not going FAR ENUFF,lol

    But seriously this is the IDEAL way to run a BUSINESS,
    i will run your load,if you will be HONEST & Show me what you really got in it but they wont do it
    Lets NEGOTIATE instead of you trying to FORCE your RATE DOWN MY THROAT

    GOOD JOB DRIVER,
    Job well done!
     
  6. bigdogpile

    bigdogpile Road Train Member

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    The best part is they must keep a record of all transactions for 3 years..seems like you have enough time to file charges for back pay..A good broker dont need a law to share this info with a driver anyway..I guess thats why there isnt any good ones..
     
  7. thelushlarry

    thelushlarry Road Train Member

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    I thought one of the classes in broker school was being able to pass a lie detector test while lying.
     
  8. brsims

    brsims Road Train Member

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    I don't get it. Wouldn't it be more profitable in the long run to be upfront with the drivers (who are taking all the risks) and just charge a flat percentage off the top? Drivers are happy, I get trucks when I need them, customers are happy with the service provided, and everybody makes money.

    Does no one on the brokerage side ever look at the long term?
     
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  9. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    Thanks for the kudos guys. There is a little quick gratification in "sticking it to them". I really do get tired of being lied to all the time, it's kind of a pet peave.

    But in practical terms I don't feel as if I accomplished anything by doing this. I got a $100 TONU, but that barely covers the time I put into this.

    I'm also not certain how the reg's are written if the broker is required to show it until after the load is completed. As a matter of principle I do feel that if a broker is going to say what they have in it, then they should back that up. Trust is bad business, why trust when you can provide a document as proof ?
     
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  10. rasymacmac21

    rasymacmac21 Light Load Member

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    Unfortunately in this business every broker is out there to rip your guts out as much as they can. I don't know if it's safe to say that there are a small dose of brokers that are upfront and honest with us. All the lies and ######## they feed you when the load was "canceled," or " we usually do these for such and such amount" or the great paying 2 bucks a mile rate they offer ya. In the reefer/van world, there's just too much competition and no wonder rates are falling to the ground.
     
  11. BigKid2

    BigKid2 Road Train Member

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    What FMCSA code are you talking about that says brokers have to prove what they are getting paid on a load?
     
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