Just thought I would chime in, as stated before, check your door weight sticker, a LOT of those sport chassis type trucks run a low weight axles front and back. Most of them are sold to haul RV 5th wheels or horse trailers around.
They do it so that they ride nice, most I have seen are running a 8,500 ft axle and a 13,500 rear axle, your tires are probably rated WELL above your axle, (air bag) capacity.
I would guess that if it has a "Western Hauler" type bed on it you probably have about 7,500 ft axle weight, and your ACTUAL rear axle weight, full of fuel and you, tools, etc, will probably come in around 6,000 so IOW, if that rear axle/suspension is of the 13,500 rating, you really only have about 7-8,000 that you could carry for hitch pin weight.
How much weight can you haul with the sportchassies????????????
Discussion in 'Expediter and Hot Shot Trucking Forum' started by Gonzo1300, Nov 24, 2013.
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Good God man! 20K gross is the truck weight?! Then add the weight of a gooseneck. No wonder the guy is going out of business. I would run away fast. That's a bad investment on the numbers you have given that'll be doomed from the start. A Freightliner sport chassis with a diamond plate gooseneck deck may get the most of 18K. I wouldn't touch it IMHO.
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The sky is the limit, Toyota proved it when they had one of there pickups pull the space shuttle.
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Ok went up to the shop today. Front axle is 8,500 and rear is 13,500 . It dont have the truck bed its a flat bed. Truck has 80 gal fuel cell,and GVWR is 13,4. They have both plated for 50,000. Company uses 2 of these for the west coast. Please don't tell me this thing can't haul more than a 1 ton or I'm back to the drawing board.
When you say add up the axle are you talking about including the trailer axles also?Last edited: Nov 27, 2013
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I get kinda lost in some of these threads so I wont get into this really deep, but I will tell you what I did when I was running our hotshot.
We had a '05 Chevy one ton with the Duramax & the Allison tranny. I had a 40' gooseneck with dual tandem 10,000 lb axles for a total wt rating on the trailer at 20,000 lb. I weighed the truck & trailer & concluded it left me with 12,000 (I dont remember exactly but it was a little over like 12,100 or something). I specifically remember loading a roll off trash compactor once in Alexandria, La & took it somewhere like Florida or somewhere a few states away... my point is, I got my cat scale ticket to make sure I wasn't over axle. I crossed several DOT scales along the way, holding my breath the first couple of times but, there was no problems.
I looked up the specs on the truck I had & here is what it says:
http://www.intellichoice.com/1-12-2...0-crew-cab-ls-2wd-drw-4dr-extended-specs.html
Curb wt: 6245 lbs.
GVWR: 11400 lbs.
Towing Cap: 12000 lbs. (my trailer was around 7000 lb & cargo was around 12,000. Anyway, I was towing about 20,000 lb max with the truck). So I was actually towing more than I should of been I guess. But again, we aren't concerned with towing ability, only weights/axle/GVWR/GVCWR.
In the end, I dont see why the truck in question in this thread wont take more weight that the 1 ton I was using. I mean after all, just the rear axle alone on the truck here is more than my whole truck was able to carry @ 13,500 vs my 11,400...??? Again, I get lost in the threads sometimes. I know how I figure it but it doesn't mean its the mathematical way it should be figured.
I can also add this, I think I had my GVCWR figured at something like 31,400 (11,400 + 20,000) but I licensed it at 35,000 I think. The only reason I did that was just in case I should be over just a bit, I would be covered & wouldn't be over gross at the DOT scales. I dont know if that is logic or not but, it what I did & why I did it.
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I do think I will be fin maxing myself to trailer 8000lb and freight weight of 14,000. Its way less than they pulled with the 1st one the company got and it has over 750,000 on it with no super major repairs to it. I would not mind picking up a semi but I did not really want to get into that short of fuel mileage and the insurance will run more. And god knows the kind of small places they want you to put these loads.
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GVWR is both or all axles weight ratings combined on the vehicle.
GCWR is the weight ratings of all axles combined - both vehicle and trailer.
The ratings are set by the manufacturer of the vehicle, not the state which licenses the vehicle.
The reason there is a GCWR on class 6 and below vehicles, it is for safety reasons.
In this case the info I posted indicated that it has 15 ton rating or 30k GCWR, which is not the plating weight. The Sport Chassis is a consumer, not a commercial vehicle per se, it is marketed towards those who want an over blown pickup truck.
The only thing the plate does for you is to get you into a separate road tax/licensing fee bracket.
As I have been told a few times, dot enforcement cops are not stupid, they do know what the ratings are seeing that the manufacturer does submit most of this info to the DOT. They can determine what the GCWR is or look it up and if you are over the ratings of your vehicle, not the plate, they could fine you and put you OSS.wore out Thanks this. -
That's the point I was trying to make but couldn't do the words. Sucks being a hillbilly. And I have seen it happen with a freightliner sport chasis. It was bought as a horsetrailer puller but was to double as hotshot to earn its keep. Didn't earn its keep long.
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Oh ok I get it. So with the company doing an advarage of 42000 GCWR they are actually breaking the law. Well if thats the case I mite as well do a bad credit single axle sleeper. I was not having to pay anything out of pocket to stat is the reason I was going to do the deal. Now I guess I will have about a $5000 down payment with a crazy interest rate plus buying a trailer.
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