How to hijack freight and get paid

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  1. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Customs is a different beast. There is a reason a load going into Windsor pays so much more than that going into Detroit. Not sure where driver was. But it also depends on where the issue was. Missing too much information to say what I would do.

    We thought about sending a sheet that detailed what our detention and lay over rates are with every rate confirmation. Then looked at a company that was so proud that they do this and while they get $75/hr detention, they also have an awful rate and can't work with some brokers that we get some good loads with.

    I am with Red in general, write this broker off your list. Plenty of great brokers to work with. Our biggest issue is TONU but we normally get $150 (or more if driver had to roll a good distance). We even had a driver last week get a TONU on a load that he rebooked an hour later and they still paid the TONU.

    We see $50-$100 an hr detention and normally we don't have to fight for that.

    Our tariff stuff is mostly $50 but TONU can be as high as $500 depending on how far the driver had to roll from and how close to the appointment time it cancels.
     
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  3. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    These guys are one of the biggest.

    Yeah TONU and detention is my biggest beef....not the line haul. In these two situations, someone screwed up and they expect the truck to pay...or help pay. Even if he only rolled 100 miles, he's eaten up all the $150 TONU and still lost the days revenue or more. Then might have to wait a couple of days to find another load that paid as well without deadheading a couple hundred miles (I'm talking steps, and DD's here). And for this I am offered $150? Had I known, I wouldn't have left the house.

    I swear there have been times when nobody has seen the used "legal" excavator or dozer they bought. They just DH me in there so I can tell them the dimensions. Then when they realize they need permits, rather than pay me to lay over, they cut me loose and post the load again.[/QUOTE]
     
  4. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    If we have issues with a big guy we move it up the chain to corporate. And now most of the better big guys we have regional managers that we work with. Now there are some bigger ones that are "buyer beware" and would never haul a step or DD with. I find more often than not when you get into the better priced stuff with these guys they are trying to book it cheap right up till you are loaded.

    We only have a single step rest are flats and vans. So what a good TONU here is out of my expertise. However, I was told early on and have taken the advise to never haul used equipment that is not coming from a dealer unless you have a contract that pays big for their mistake.
     
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    rank Road Train Member

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    HA! Sage advice right there.
     
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  6. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    Funny thing happened today.

    One of the companies I had an issue with has decided they still want to keep working with me, despite the issues we have recently had.

    I was calling to check on a late invoice and got directed to the "upper management" guy who I ended up dealing with on the whole fiasco and the guy I ultimately resolved things with, or so I had thought. My account was still locked by him. Maybe he just wanted to apologize....I don't know.

    As it turns out, he had my account locked. He apologized and told me basically no harm no foul. I guess he realized that his people started the whole issue and he encouraged me to continue to work with them going forward.

    Funny. According to some other "guru" types on here I was in for a mess of litigation for my actions.

    I guess when you take advice form a FORUM GURU, it pays to look them up if you can and see just what credentials they actually have. This is especially true if the supposed "trucking guru" is in actuality a broker as well as a carrier.

    Maybe I should put on classes to give truckers their "TRUCKING DOCTORATE" degree!!! Sc - rew a "Trucking MBA" that is for chumps!!
     
  7. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Bad business is bad business. Trucking is what it is and there's a lot of sad sacks both companies, brokers, and drivers. That said whenever I get a bad load I just chalk it up to a bad customer or broker and never do business with them again. Too many good ones out there to waste time holding loads hostage or whatever. As far as gurus go I think 1 truck to 15 and still growing in these trying times, in 2 years time, speaks for itself. As far as the brokerage/logistics side it's just part of the whole package. Business, no us versus them bs. You could likely learn a lot from MBA if you didn't already know it all.
     
  8. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    Good luck.
     
  9. rickybobby

    rickybobby Road Train Member

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    Not all business Models are the same.
     
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  10. Gunz444

    Gunz444 Light Load Member

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    theres only one biz model that really makes sense: make money

    if you are making money, then who cares what the model looks like.
     
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  11. LSAgentOZR

    LSAgentOZR Road Train Member

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    The consignee... not the broker. The consignee also has the ability to report the goods stolen if they so choose and then you're up a creek.

    ^ Yahtzee!

    I speak only for my agency and what I know of the company which I am contracted with. You threaten to "hijack" or "hold a load hostage" and you're done. You are permanently banned from ever hauling for them again and it's made known why you are unapproved when we look up your MC/FID number for screening purposes. Your name, contact info, and everything goes into a database and if you ever tried to apply under a new MC number they'll research it and find you and you won't get approved. They don't play these reindeer games in the slightest and won't hesitate to take action if and when its needed. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there's not a place where it's reported to the multiple large brokerage firms when a carrier "hijacks" a load that results in you being placed on multiple "do not load" lists.
     
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