Hypothetical 2024, you receive a Tesla Semi ordered years earlier

Used Lithium-Ion Batteries | US EPA

Actually they can be recycled….

I’m not butt hurt people don’t like him, it’s sad people can’t see how he’s helping humanity.

 

I was legitimately asking a question about recycling.

The question still stands though. How much is a battery for an ev? Like $10kish? So, what does one do with a car in 10 years that is worth roughly 1/2 to 1/3 of its original value and now needs a $10kish battery?

 

Norway faces electric vehicle pickle

 

Here's the thing. If EVs where so great, you wouldn't need those incentives......people would just buy them. I bought my new truck because I wanted a new one and I needed a one ton. No incentives needed.

 

Not picking on you, but you are using your experience with old technology to judge new technology. For example, there are now quite few Toyota Prius that need battery replacement, for a little over $7K - at the dealer. About half that for a refurb pack. About the same as having to buy a new combustion engine or R and R with a junkyard / rebuilt motor.

But the main reason for the battery replacement is that Prius uses (used) NiMh batteries, not Li-Ion (as does the new Toyota Tundra hybrid). NiMh batteries degrade faster and further over time than Li-ion.

There have been a few Tesla’s in commercial service that have hit the half million mile mark on the original battery. Tesla’s battery packs degrade by about 25% over the first 175K miles or so, and then the degradation slows to a couple of percent per 100K miles after that.

As far as cold weather service, no one will argue that battery performance degrades in the cold. Then again, it wasn’t all THAT long ago that our Northern friends simply didn’t shut off some of their Diesel engines during the worst of the winter for fear of not being able to start them again. An answer to the problem is a block heater. Just plug the vehicle (battery or diesel) into shore power, and avoid the problems associated with the cold block. Heating the cabin will still effect range significantly, but later Tesla’s have heat pumps rather than resistive heating, which cuts the portion of the battery capacity used for heat substantially.

 

I'm legitimately asking questions. I have no dog in this fight. I don't own Tesla stock and have nothing to gain here. If you or anyone else wants to drive an EV, that's cool......good for you. I like choices. My problem is when a govt mandates such things or incentivises such things. I don't know much about lithium, that is why I ask the things I do. I don't think they are all they are cracked up to be. Especially the environmental impacts they have. Everything has its ups and downs....Everything. I'm just saying EVs aren't all rainbows.

 

And not far from the house, so i sometimes shop there, instead of driving to the city.
The Petro Canada station in Beaverly, west of Pr. George BC.
People say that Walmart is cheaper. Sure, but it is 15 minutes further each way, so my time, wear and tear on my F150, gas, and putting up with the loonatics there, its ideal to shop 4 minutes away from my home. I also have a discount card there, and get points to spend. So i spend $6 more on groceries, save $6 in gas, and my time, plus less frustration.

 

Why are you so worried about what others drive?
Are you a tesla sales creep?
Because honestly, you are giving off a creepy vibe.

Drive whatever you want, and we will drive what we want. Me, I drive a Ford, its a 2014, and been nothing less than great. In 147,000 kms, its never broken down, has had regular maintenance, replaced the battery twice, flying rocks broke my windshield, so had it replaced, replaced the spark plugs last year, still looked passable, but replaced them. Done the brakes, new pads only, i turned the rotors on my Dad's lathe, next time I will replace the rotors. Haven't even replaced a light bulb in it yet. Oh put new wiper blades on a couple years ago. It developed a rattle oneday, i looked in the glove box, tossed a rag around the flashlight, closed the glovebox back up, and end of rattle.

You keep hugging your Tesla, I'll keep driving my Ford.
And since I don't live in Europe, I don't care if they sold every vehicle there, and all chose to ride mopeds. Good for them, affects me not.

I have relatives in Norway, been to Norway several times. Didn't see many there, and I know of no one that lives there, who drive a tesla. My relatives there drive many brands, but nothing starting with the letter T.
Sure see a lot of VWs there, seem to be everywhere.

 

$18,000 installed according to a recent radio program i heard.

 

That's what I was wondering. At what interval? The longer they last, the less their vehicles are worth. Say the battery lasts 20 years. That means the car is pretty much a throw away. Because in 20 years the car is pretty much worthless if you are going to have to dump $18k into it. I just think the long term viability of EV is a farce.