I AM SO SICK OF ELD'S! It's not making the industry any safer.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by MooneyBravo, Jun 21, 2025.

  1. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    The 14 and 70 hour rule aren't the problem. The problem is most of trucking pays drivers by the mile instead paying accessories and/or hourly. Your time is regulated but if the wheels ain't turning you ain't earning... It's backwards. Basically drivers bear the brunt of time lost doing all normal on duty functions of the job for free. Or getting caught in traffic. Not getting paid extra miles when routing around it. I could go on and on about the freebies that drivers routinely have to put up with. All the normal every day inefficiencies inherent in the supply chain drivers getting paid piecemeal makes everything seems just fine for those who aren't drivers. It keeps things cheap too. Keeps driver wages cheap. The hourly regulations aren't the issue. The way drivers are paid, or rather not paid for all the free #### they do, is the problem.
     
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  3. Tb0n3

    Tb0n3 Road Train Member

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    You can tell the billionaire investors all about the efficiency of your design and how the customers love it all day, but if they don't see constant improvements they get nervous and start asking for you to liquidate your assets so they can get their money back.
     
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  4. snicrep

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    I do it all the time. I've never messed up a break. I was told 4mph but I've found it's more like over 5 will break it. There's some margin. There's a plant in California I go to a lot (dairy) usually there so long, my time runs out for the day. I have to creep around the plant. Scale to loading area that can only be reached from a gate outside of the compound. Back to the scale, etc. If I can do it, anyone can.
     
  5. snicrep

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    I've gone off duty for way more than 2 hrs, and I start to lose time. I just can't predict it compliance has explained it to me but it makes no sense. I otherwise don't mind the eld, except I would change a few things if I could
    1. Be able to pause the clock indefinitely.
    2. 8 hr resets not 10.
    3. 24 hr resets not 34.
    4. Some margin for wiggle room when your running out of time and are having trouble finding parking.
    My 34 hr restarts are never at home. It's mind-numbing to sit at a truck stop for that long . I do go to a gym now, and in Phoenix I can Waymo everywhere. But I digress.
     
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  6. Long FLD

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    Do you have the split sleeper enabled? With Motive it did it automatically when I used them but with Geotab I had to toggle a switch to enable split sleeper.

    Edit: also some logs will show a violation until you complete the other part of the break.
     
  7. Deere hunter

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    How so?
     
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  8. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    I’m log exempt so I haven’t either, and as far as I’m concerned that is a true case of ignorance being bliss.
     
  9. buzzarddriver

    buzzarddriver Road Train Member

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    If the office can modify a drivers logs in reference to drive time, what use is an Elog?
     
  10. MacLean

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    Yes but that’s not the company’s fault, that’s the fault of the driver. If the driver has no backbone he’s screwed. No different from someone borrowing $50.00 from you and the getting it again and again and you just keep giving it to them. Who’s the problem, the guy asking or the sucker giving it?
    The fact is every time there’s a major disaster and FEMA is involved the drivers directly hauling for the relief don’t run log books. Farmers don’t run them. Guys within a certain mileage of home don’t run them. So why aren’t those guys piled and the cause of every accident?
    The log book was low lying fruit when some group of a family member died and the FMCSA said “Here, we’ll get this passed in Little Johnny’s name or grandma Debra and the roads will be safer for all”. Nothing changed except creating a cash grab.
     
  11. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    Most of them don’t allow any edits to drive time. It’s the questionable ones with overseas tech support that allow edits. And that’s because the FMCSA allows companies to self certify the ELD they’re putting on the market.
     
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