This is almost like what we have been told that the person who killed our son may face if the jury decides to convict him, the plea agreement he refused was this six months in jail with two years probation, he refused and now is awaying a jury trial, it's been two years since our son was killed, and this person who killed our son is still driving, and still going about his daily life believing he didn't do anything wrong. What he wanted was guaranteed probation only then he was planning to just plead guilty, but when he found out he could get six months in jail he decided he just wanted a jury trial.
I really don't care how many times someone has or has not been in trouble with the law, imo the FIRST time someone does something illegal that they know without a doubt is illegal, and they kill someone they need to go to jail for a long time, not 30 days or just probabtion or six months and probation. It needs to be long enough that none of their friends will think it isn't too bad, and proceed to copy them at some point.
Personally I see nothing wrong with twenty years in jail min, plus an extended probabtion at the end of that full time, (say another ten or so years probation where they have to check in at least twice a week) and further I don't think that even then they need their liscenses to drive back, especially if they are a drunk driver who leaves someone to die, it is bad enough for the person to drive drunk and hit someone, but imho it is worse to hit someone and then go home, knowing that you hit someone and knowing that you did not at the min call 911 so maybe someone could of gotten there in time to prevent the person bleeding to death or dying from exposure. When someone is left to die after being hit by a vechical it can be a slow and painful death. It's not good, and people who kill people while driving drunk, need to go stay in jail a long time so they don't do it again. And so their friends don't get the idea that it wasn't so bad.
Because it is bad. People have no business driving drunk, there are other things that people can do besides driving drunk, they can plan ahead, drink at home, call someone before they get so drunk that they think they are okay to drive when they arn't, make arrangements to be picked up by a taxi at a certain time, just something that prevents them from getting behind the wheel drunk.
I need a good DUI lawyer in atl,GA
Discussion in 'Trucker Legal Advice' started by jonausea, Jun 16, 2009.
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Arrest them both. 1 is guilty for DUI hang him, the other is not guilty of a crime in most states Drunk in publics is less sever than Driving and should be treated as such. However there is the stupid factor of getting into a car with a drunk, but that is not chargeable. If neither copp's to driving then hang them both.
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I hope they give you and your cousin the MAX.... A little slap never is enough to get you drunks off the road. Driving is a privilege, If you understood that you would have never got into a car with a drunk, stupid is no defense.
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I agree, but imho it would at least be something, I really think it should even be illegal for someone who commits a hit and run or drunk driving offense to ever even be allowed to own any type of vechical, and if caught driving have to just go stay a very long time in prison, staying in prison isn't taking their life, it is only taking their freedom, and it is a whole lot more merciful to them than what they were to the ones they have killed or hurt.
I agree however that is someone wants to drive they will whether or not they do it legally, making it illegal for them to own a vechical would just maybe in a small way make it harder for them to drive, because they would then either have to steal a vechical or convince someone to let them drive their vechical, which imho should also be illegal and if someone knowingly allowed someone to drive their vechical with no liscense without an overwhelmingly good reason (like something lifethreatening serious) then that person just needs to loose their liscense and vechical and if any kind of accident happens be held liable, up to and including jail time. Maybe if the consquenses were severe enough people would be more careful about who they let drive their vechicals, and be more careful about what they did while driving and just pay attention to driving.
When someone is supposed to be driving they should imho have their full attention on the road, not on reading a map (I have seen someone on the interstate once who had a map spread out over his steering wheel to the point I don't believe he could really see the road, and that imho was completely stupid, almost as bad if not worse that a drunk driver, worse only because he had his windshield partly blocked, the drunk driver at the very min. at least has the windshield clear most of the time) I have also seen people trying to eat, put on make-up, brush their hair, look up stuff on some sort of computer, brush their teeth, turn around and try to discipline kids who are acting out, change clothes, etc, ALL WHILE they were assumedly the driver of the car since the steering wheel was directly in front of them, when someone is driving they need to have their attention on driving, and not be under the influence of anything that could cause them to be in a serious or even a not too serious accident.
The only real difference between a drunk driver and a driver who is distracted by doing everything under the sun besides paying attention to their driving is the drunk driver also has there mind altered to the point being they are not seeing that they are going all over the road, or their reflexes are slowed down. You add any thing a sober driver does that imho is not smart to a drunk driver and you will end up with a fatality without too much effort.
Everything I mentioned above that I have seen people doing while driving on interstates and other roads are things that you can pull your vechicle over for. Or do before you get into your car in the first place, or do when you get to wherever it is your going. People don't have to be so arrogant that they cost the lives of other people who may really have not planned on going and getting killed that particular day or any day due to a very painful and bloody "accident", and I use that term "accident" very loosely, because once your doing things that are illegal or are stupid to do while driving, it's not an accident. I don't know what to call it, but it isn't an accident. And people need to pay attention to their driving because when they don't people get hurt and some people get killed it's just not a good thing at all in my opinion. -
Stilllwater, I can certainly understand your position.
The guy who hit and ran and was responsible for the end result of my brother in law's death received only 18 month probation and no jail time.
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I think that some laws are made by people who really have no comprehension of what it means when someone does something like a hit and run.
I found a website a while back that discussed hit and runs, and according to that site when a driver leaves the scene, it is because the driver has something to hide, it was a former police officer out of Florida that started keeping track of hit and runs, after finding someone dead in the middle of the road, not long after he had first joined the police force. That person was unidenified, the driver not found, but it disturbed him a lot, and that is why he had started that site, he no longer updates it though, because he said on his website that it had become too emotionally draining. Also of the ones caught after committing hit and runs they did have something to hide, usually they are drunk or under the influence of illegal drugs or don't have a liscense to start with or are wanted for some other crime, he has photo's of people who have died, (the photo's are one's their families gave him of the person before they were killed) he also has links to all the states and the laws they have reguarding hit and runs, and all states are not equal, some states are very lenient or appparently imho don't enforce the laws they have in such a way as to be a deterient to someone else doing the exact same thing.
I mean think about it if you see your friend or neighbor do something that is bad, and further see whatever it was that they did go unpunished or given such a light punishment that it doesn't seem all that bad, would it make you think twice about doing the same thing or something similar? Now look at it on the other hand what if you saw your friend, relative or neighbor do something really bad, and then further saw that individual end up with serious consquenses that were life altering in a very negative way such as an extremely long prison sentence or even a death sentence would it make you hestitate to do the exact same thing or something similar?
In my personal opinion if you clearly witness the consquenses of someone being punished severly for something that you may not of though too much about, it may cause you to think enough to not want to go join them in the punishment they have seen their aquaintence or relative recieve.
I mean sending someone to prison is not the same as taking a vechical and running them over and then leaving them to die due to internal injuries or bleeding or shock or whatever else. It is a slow and painful death to be left to die in the way the majority of hit and run victims are left.
And in my opinion a long prison sentence is showing a whole lot more mercy for the guilty than the guilty showed when they left the scene after hitting someone with their vechicle. And it is an extremely hard thing to get out of your mind that someone was so much more concerned with being caught drinking that they instead of at the bare min calling 911 they run home as fast as they can with no thought whatsoever for the person that they have left on the side of the road or in a ditch. If the person would of bare min. called 911 and told the operator exactly where to find the person instead of saying nothing, and going home finding a lawyer and then going to say they believe they were the one involved in the "accident" If someone can't know that they have hit someone after a person comes crashing halfway through their windshield imho they have no business owning a car much less driving one, and need to go to jail for a very long time, so maybe their friends won't have the same idea of going home instead of at least calling 911. I mean seriously if someone is stupid enough to drive after drinking then they just need to remember that jails were made for criminals and leaving the scene after you hit a person is a crime, therefore whether you had a record or not, you are now a criminal. And you deserve to be in jail, and jail time even if a long period of your life is spent there it is not as harsh as what the victims family is facing,because the victims family has to remember every day that their child or other loved one died a horrible death because someone chose to drink and drive, and further chose to not call 911 and further chose to leave the scene, while someone died, because someone else did not want to face the responsiblity of their actions. Yes, I know coming forward at a later time may sound nice to the guilty parties family and friends, but it doesn't change the fact that they left the scene, and it wasn't even dark, if it had been foggy, stormy, and dark then you might possibly consider it an accident, but even then when someone crashes halfway through your windshield you should be able imho to know someone just came through the windshield unless you have something seriously wrong with you, and if you do, maybe you just should not drive, and imho it is very likely that if you are sitting in a jail cell your not going to be sitting behind a steering wheel, and maybe your friends and or relatives who think your punishment is too much will spend lots of time visiting you so they can remember why it is your in the jailcell in the first place and think twice and again before doing the same thing, but if they do then I guess it can be a long reunion in a jail cell specially designed for people who don't know the difference between animals, mailboxes and people.
I think that people who pass laws that say hit and run drivers who kill should only have sentences that really are not deterents to prevent someone else doing the same thing, that these lawmakers should have to go visit the graves of people who have been killed by hit and run drivers, and have to visit the families especially the ones where young children have lost parents or siblings and have to explain to these children why it is that the person who is guilty of killing their parent or sibling or friend either will not go to jail or will only be in jail for a very short time, and clearly explain why. Because I can't explain why to my dc why it is that their brother's body is laying in the grave yard while at the same time the person who has admitted to doing this is still driving and still going about their life, and has never even been in jail at all. To me it is like saying so long as you kill the person your consquenses won't be too harsh, but if the person lives your consquenses will be a lot more serious.
I don't think that people think at all, especially when something doesn't or hasn't ever trully effected their own lives.
I have learned a lot since this happened and anyone else can too, all you have to do is go sit in the court rooms while people are being sentenced, the ones who have done somethings that are repairable (not death or injury to a person) they are given very harsh sentences, and then the ones who have killed someone are given light sentences in comparison, and sometimes it is only probation, which makes no sense to me at all, and imho can and often does lead to more crimes because sometimes people close to a victim may not have the restraint and self-control that they should have so when a light sentence or nothing is done to someone who is guilty they just snap, and that is why imho you hear about people fighting in court rooms after a sentence is given that in no way comes close to helping bring closure to a victims family. And imho when someone can spend more time in jail and on probation for emptying the waste contents of a camper trailer onto property that is a new construction site, (13 years in jail and 5 years probation if I heard right) and the waste be equivalent to a five gallon bucket which can be cleaned up, and was cleaned up, to give that person that much time and then turn around and say someone who kills someone can maybe possibly go to jail for six months or less and maybe have 2 years probation something imho is just completely wrong. And I heard a lot of cases where the guilty was given harsh sentences that was completely out of whack with the crime committed. At least imho. -
Now this is something I did not know - what 14 hours from last drink to driving - I would think that one would be free of alcohol.
Until I heard this, I figured I could have a beer or two on a reset (in a motel only, not in the truck!!); but now, well that thought is completely out of my brain!! Thanks for the info! I know that I read that a personal car is no different, so yeah the CDL will get yanked, but that little portion never really sunk in until I read your post!! Thanks for sharing.
As for the rest of the post, well I have to agree; people should not enter a vehicle (other than taxi) if drinking, drunk, buzzed, or going to drink.Stillwater Thanks this. -
Women's body's don't process the alcohol like a male's. Look it up.
A woman will get drunker and take longer to sober up than a man drinking the same amount of alcohol.
LOTS OF INFO HERE.
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This is another reason besides the bar tab that the police have, that it is known that the driver was drunk is because he still had a high level of alcohol in his blood stream ( I don't know how high, just that we were told by the police and DA that it was high) BUT because he was not found sooner they can't use that in court, because we were told that person could just as easily say he had started drinking later or something to that effect.
A taxi or destinated driver only helps when someone is responsible enough to actually call a taxi and plans ahead so they know without a doubt they won't be in danger of being caught driving drunk, because they won't be doing it in the first place,
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