I want.. or do I..???

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Woody13, Jan 4, 2009.

  1. Woody13

    Woody13 Light Load Member

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    Thanks Kinghunter, I have posted a link in the owner/op's section.

    Woody
     
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  3. MilkMan

    MilkMan Bullshipper

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    Definitely a buyer's market where trucks are concerned right now. Trucks are cheap right now, and I think they're gonna get cheaper still for a while, especially if crude $/Barrel goes back up some anytime soon.

    About buying a truck: Price also depends a bit on "what" you intend to buy. Everyone has a certain truck that "is" their ideal truck, but the ideal truck does not always make sense, or cents. One one hand, I'd say starting out, buy the truck that meets most of, if not all, your needs without a lot of regard to your wish list, get a good start, set back some money, and then trade into your ideal truck later. On the other hand, I'd say if you're going to live in the box for a couple of weeks at a stretch, you also need to like the box you're in e.g.: Don't buy a truck you can't stand up in. I'm 6'5". I like the look of a Pete, but I wouldn't buy one if I was going to run it a lot because I can't stand up in the sleeper. It's a delicate balance. Lay out all the Specs you need, decide what you can/can't live with for wants, set the search details in The Truck Paper, and click search. I'm sure you'll find pages and pages of relatively cheap trucks at the moment. Good luck. And yes, Dealers "want" to deal right now too.
     
  4. The Challenger

    The Challenger Kinghunter

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    I'll shoot and give my example: A 2003 freightshaker century at Arrow Truck sales with 515K, 12.7 detroit, 3.73 rears, condo sleeper is going for 29,950. I can almost guarantee you that its possible to get it out the door for 25K.

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  5. Woody13

    Woody13 Light Load Member

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    I'm looking for something more in line with what KH discribed. I like being able to stand up and move around, sit in the back and do my paperwork and have a meal. Of course I know that some of the Pete's and Kenworths would fill that ticket but as hard as I might like, I'm just not going to get into one of those that new for my price.
    I agree, but if this truck could be bought for 20K out the door then I would be much more interested as long as everything else looked right.
     
  6. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    So, why don't you show up at the dealers with $20k in hand and give it a shot?
     
  7. The Challenger

    The Challenger Kinghunter

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    I agree with woody, go ahead and show up with cash and see how the trucks you are interested in performs. Then start pestering the sales person and conclude the deal.

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  8. Woody13

    Woody13 Light Load Member

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    That sounds like a good plan except... isn't there always that?

    My situation isn't that simple. The money is there but it belongs to a friend so to speak. He is putting up property to obtain the funds. I will not ask him to proceed until I am confident that I have a deal. I am positive that everything on my end will go without skipping a beat.
     
  9. MilkMan

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    Given the post I'm quoting, and just to make certain I was thorough before I posted again, I went back and re-read the previous two pages. IMHO, I think we've all put the cart before the horse here in this thread considering your above statement.

    If you truly don't want a hiccup here, and if you want to be in the best situation for everything on your end not to "skip a beat", while yes it is important to also be looking for the best deal in a truck, your first consideration needs to be "who" you're going to lease on to.

    The truck IS important, no question. But, the company you're going to sign a lease with is more important than the truck. The company you lease onto can make you or break depending on your deal with them. There are so many more considerations with the company than the truck. My advice is to keep looking for the right truck and keep it in the back of your mind, but spend most of your time and energy finding the right company to lease onto. It IS NOT a seller's market where leasing onto GOOD companies are concerned right now. Things are tight out here right now, and the stronger, more stable companies seem to be slowing down the number of people their willing to take on. You need to be very careful who you lease onto, so that you don't have a hiccup in your plan.

    I have no doubt what you want to do can be done. I'm not saying "don't" do it, or wait, or any such thing. I'm saying the truck is secondary to the company you lease on with. The truck is the tool with which you make the living, the company is the source that will determine the details of how much or little your tool gets used.
     
  10. Woody13

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    I couldn't agree more. I have put about as much effort into working both ends of this as the other. The job part is proubly just as tough as finding a truck. Maybe harder. It's a situation that I have had to work with since trying to start out in this industry. I have a felony record. It's 9 years since the conviction but it haunts me. There are some companies out there but few and far between that will over look it. About ALL the big ones have a 10 year policy. Even the owner/operators that have trucks leased onto these companies have to follow the same guidelines as the company drivers that hire onto these companies when they hire someone to drive their trucks. I have also found that these same companies will articulate that policy to fit a given situation if they just don't want to bother hiring a driver with a record. Some say the policy is from the time of conviction. Others say, "How long did you serve? How long were you on parole?" Then they say the ten year (or whatever the number may be) starts from when you were released on parole. To others though, they don't care. Usually that will be a company where driver turnover is extremely high and they have a really hard time filling seats and driver retention.
    This is another reason I am considering this so seriously. I'm not liking having to feel like I am a second rate person and having to eat #### because someone thinks they have me over a barrel with the attitude that I have nowhere else to go. Some folks may accept that kind of attitude. I won't. If you guys here knew me as well as others that have been around me, you would understand that I hold to my principles and I don't just accept whats handed to me. I work hard and I deserve to be treated as anyone should be treated that is willing to do what they have to, to get ahead. I've came a long way in the last few years with that attitude and I'm not done yet.
    So, yes the job is going to be maybe even more tough in this equation than finding the truck but, if I do find the truck first, it will just give me more motivation to work harder and faster. I don't mind working under pressure as long as the rewards are there at the end of the road and since that depends on me... It usually works out.
     
  11. The Challenger

    The Challenger Kinghunter

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    Woody,

    Let me say this about trucks: My friend has two trucks, his own authority and own trailers. His wife is his dispatcher so finding loads ain't a problem. Its the equipt he cares about. Thats why he is waiting till the right stuff comes onto the market. I mentioned in another thread he might be looking at an intl 9400 but with what bronc said, thats out as he needs something that gets good mpg.

    A freightliner will do that and he will most likely get one unless by some miracle someone convinces him otherwise.

    KH
     
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