If drivers need to know English…

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by BeHereNow97, May 6, 2025.

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  1. BeHereNow97

    BeHereNow97 Heavy Load Member

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    The reason I brought up Quebec as an example, is to point out the double standards of so many of the men on this forum who act like they're passionate about following the law, yet they say nothing of the double standards or the law. Double standards which I have pointed out.

    Guaranteed there's a bunch of Canadians who don't know any French when they go to Quebec to do business. It's ALWAYS the French speakers in Quebec who are supposed to accommodate the English speakers, even when the Quebecers are in their own province. Always.

    Likewise, I made the point in another thread about how drivers should be able to know the Cheyenne language when driving through Highway 212 in Wyoming. Another poster pointed out that the Crow Reservation is also on Highway 212 and they speak another language as well. That poster also mentioned only 20% of the natives on each reservation spoke the native language.

    But that does not refute my point. I bet plenty of places in Miami only 20% the natives speak English, with the other 80% speaking Spanish and only Spanish. That does not discount the English language though, even if only 20% of locals in certain parts of Miami can speak it.

    So back to my point, if you are driving on tribal lands, should you not be able to communicate with law enforcement via the native languages if you are driving a CMV?

    To be clear, yes I think the rules should be enforced in that you should be able to know good enough English to have very basic communication. Maybe A1 level, certainly nowhere near fluency though. I do not disagree with this.

    But, my issue comes in double standards and hypocrisy. Let's be consistent. The old men who are so passionate about language learning MUST speak French if they go into Quebec, and they MUST speak the tribal languages of the Native Americans if they drive through reservation lands. You cannot expect a Native American law enforcement officer to speak English to you if you are on his land, you should be expected to know the tribal language good enough to communicate in his native language if you are driving a CMV.

    Don't like that? Fine, then you need to be routed around Native American tribal lands. No more highway 212 shortcut for you, better take the interstate since you're too lazy to learn the language.

    Be consistent. If the rules state that you need to have good enough English to communicate with DOT and law enforcement officers in the US, then the rules must ALSO state that you need to have good enough French in Quebec and good enough Native American language skills on their reservations as well.

    Fair is fair.
     
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  3. Iamoverit

    Iamoverit Road Train Member

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    We're not in Canada. We don't care about French.

    We speak English in the USSA and Transportation Law mandates it for the industry.

    Perhaps you should move to another country? You might be happier.
     
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  4. Oldman83

    Oldman83 Light Load Member

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    You have it completely wrong.
    A French Canadian who is driving through the USA, and doing so legally, is under absolutely no legal obligation to know English. A DOT officer cannot revoke his legally held Canadian commercial drivers license just because he cannot communicate reasonably fluently in English while here in the USA.
    However, if you are going to live, work, and have a US based commercial drivers license, etc, you are under legal obligation to read, speak, and understand the English language.
    Get it in your head that legally traveling through this country (or any other that I’m aware of) does not legally obligate you to read, write, and understand the language, but if you are going to live, work, and hold a CDL here you are legally required to be able to read, and communicate in English.
     
  5. ElmerFudpucker

    ElmerFudpucker Road Train Member

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    Not really. Most seem to be ok with this. And besides I doubt very few on here actually go to que bec so we really dgaf
     
  6. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    Yes we take it serious. Maybe Canada should get serious.
     
  7. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    He’s just trying to make a point that doesn’t make any sense. He brings up the tribal stuff. If the tribes wanted to enforce a rule that you can’t drive on tribal roads without knowing their language they can. But they can’t do it on a federal highway. If it’s not a federal road the tribes could come up with whatever rules they wanted and the rest of the world would have to deal with it. Just like during Covid. Most tribes closed everything down to outsiders, except federal and state highways. All they asked was that you traveled straight through without stopping.

    The simple way to think about it, like you’ve said, is if an English speaker goes to a foreign country to live and work and build a life they would be expected to at least learn enough of the language to function on a daily basis. If I retire and move to Mexico I wouldn’t expect the locals to accommodate my inability to speak Spanish.
     
  8. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    CDL drivers in the US are governed by the US DOT. CDL drivers in Canada are governed by the Canadian DOT. If you are a US driver in Canada, you abide by the Canadian DOT. The laws and regs are on the metric system, but written in what language? English. Yep. Even in Quebec.

    If you drive in Mexico, the DOT signs are in what language? Spanish. Guess what that means? DOT regs will be in Spanish.
     
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    Numb Crusty Curmudgeon

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    one must assimilate to the countries culture in which they have chosen to live, that's all there is to it.
     
  10. Tb0n3

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    That's why there's been so much hate for gypsies throughout history and to a lesser degree the Jews because they will assimilate but they keep a lot of hidden traditions that people become wary of. Unless they're Ultra Orthodox of course. Then they're worse than the gypsies.
     
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  11. Iamoverit

    Iamoverit Road Train Member

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    I agree and too bad there isn't an enforceable law to facilitate that process.
     
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