If emissions trucks are bad why are 90% on the road emissions trks

I like your "clean air" comment. Only problem is..all the fuel burned to take this emissions crap to the shop. Then get the driver another trk to deliver or finish run. Or send someone in a 4wheeler to pick them up. Many times been past shop, and they have a trk out revving at 1500 rpm for who knows how long? Ask them why, oh they say regen issues. Waste more fuel. Plus wearing out the engine. All the extra fuel burned by wrecker services, sure they are lov'in it. Good for business. Also i have been behind some of these "clean air" trucks and they are puffing smoke out that makes your eyes water. Hey if they finally get all the bugs out, i may jump on board. Even see Penn Dot 6 and 10 wheelers sitting on the berm. No plowing, there goes more wasted time and fuel.

 

Net net? Too funny. Of all the miles driven and gallons burned you are really going to talk about a 4wheeler or a loaner going to the shop.

Bad argument.

I can understand the argument of fuel mileage being better without some of this stuff and the cost benefit analysis of that. The things you brought up are trivial though

Again, do you like clean air?

 

Yea I like clean air, that's why I have the brains to live out in the cornfields not the concrete jungle that is your average city. The way this country is supposed to work is if there was that many people agreed with you we wouldn't need laws to cut down on emissions.

 

Haha. Except the majority (california) or Comifornia... however you see it is the main source for the GDP of this country. You can sit in the corn fields all you want. However, the bulk of this country's money comes from the coastal cities.

Love it or hate it, that's the truth.

If everyone moved to the cornfields then it wouldn't be the happy place you have.

It takes all kinds, but you are being short sided.

No other way to put it

 

Plus your surf sucks. Lol

In all honesty we all live in different realities.
Cars and trucks pre emissions were not a good thing for populated areas of this country. We are talking public health.

Do you really think in 2040 people are going to be moving freight with a 3406e. That's ridiculous

Get on board or park the old iron when you can't get parts anymore.

Again, my 2012 d13 has done me good

 

I don't go to any of those places, Witchita,, KS and Tulsa ok are the biggest cities I get to with any regularity, I stay out in the middle of nowhere and nobody cares how much smoke you make. I get that they're trying to clean up the city air, I have one question though, we've been tightening emissions extremely in the last 25 years, are athsma, chronic respiratory issues, cancer diagnoses going down yet? Just my opinion but they're trying to fix the issue too many ways all at once quicker than any change is going to be noticed, and when it is you don't know what actually fixed the issue, like if you have a vibration on your truck and replace everything that might vibrate on your truck you're not going to know exactly what it was.

 

The answer to your question is very simple. Large companies buy new trucks. Whatever it is that the manufacturers make they will buy.

When I drove for Penske years ago they told me that they only kept her trucks until the warranties were just about up and they had plenty of lemons that they had to give back to the manufacturers because they could not fix them.

Guys that fall into two categories. Either they buy a new truck or a later Model Truck like you were trying to do, that doesn't need a butt load of work, we're owner-operators that buy old iron and really wrench on them.

So how good or bad the trucks are is something really irrelevant. It's really just the way Commerce works.

 

I got the eff out of Baltimore as soonest.

You wont believe some of the things we grew up with. Lead Paint on cars (Oh so nice, but don't eat the chips kid) abestos and god only knows what else. Ive been soaked in fuel most of my life around trucking.

When I discover the American west and parts of the deep south, the air quality is just perfect as far as I am concerned. Too hot in 85 degree Maryland? HA Find a mountain, get above 6000 feet MSL. at 9000 you are doing very well at or above the treeline with it's associated pollen. MD was pretty hot at times. But Arkansas... we burn at 130 in the shade three to five weeks of every year when the pacific ocean has a certain pressure just so every so many years. It's hot to where you just laid quietly in the home waiting until nightfall to actually get things done requiring manual labor.

I'll protect the old Iron by saying 5 miles to gallon aint half bad at all considering it's literally a absolute natural combustion of fuel to horsepower without a speck of Computer anything. Cranking was by air pressure in those days. Don't but need a little battery for that fuel pump. I think even then that engine pulled on the tank what it wanted and sent back heated fuel that it did not burn and MAY have used as a form of cooling and lubrication as well.

You learned to avoid the low flow tiny hose crap in coolant. What you really wanted was coolant that could stay with you in 120 above or keep you alive at 50 below. Note I said alive, as in above 50 degrees in that cab with a winter front. You wore layers that cold because the very metal inside that cab you were in could frost flash freeze you to it. Talk about being stuck at work. Especially if you forgot where your coffee cup and it's humid vapor was.

If it's one thing I would not mind getting for memory is a big fat half gallon ash tray bucket with the two steel clamshell springs for smoking and other purposes. It literally was at those days one of the very best ever in ash trays. I just need to find one in mind condition like that.

Todays trucks are nice. I'll concede that. But they have been over obese in weight, enforcement crap, could barely maintain self awareness at 10 Volts let alone do anything worth a #### at 1450 RPM while showing a reluctant to get up above 1600 and stay there in high energy situations. The moment you left off the hammer that stupid engine goes PLUGH Dead idle. Stand on it or kick it shows a perverse... weakness at 1200 and a greater sag at 1700. It falls down to 650 instantly.

Engines in my time including the early comptuer stuff IDLED at 700 with POWER. You could veel it through the whole of the trucks, rivets in the body (Not welded or molded much in those days) would be buzzing ready to start the new day. They will be chattering soon enough on that bad concrete on US 15 and even worse on 78 past frystown. Bounce House Highway. BOING BOING BOING .. some old irons just simply went CRUNCH on every plate smashing you and your spine to the floor.

I can go on. But could not be more than happier. You young uns seriously missed out.

 

Remember leaded fuel? Remember tbe hue and cry when the government started phasing it out? Turns out there is a strong correlation between lead fuel and violent crime.

Redirect Notice

The EPA claims the net economic benifit of the Clean Air Act is 30 to 1. Even if you halve that, then halve it again we all come out ahead.
Benefits and Costs of the Clean Air Act 1990-2020, the Second Prospective Study | US EPA

Also remember that what happens in the cities does eventually move out to the boondocks. Back in the 1950s and 60s one of the ways we knew if China or the USSR had tested an atomic weapon was if cows stopped giving milk. It happen several thousand miles away, but had an impact.

 

I can think of 3 quick reasons.

1. Many drivers want newer rigs for personal reasons. Maybe they think it’ll be more reliable, or it looks better, yadda yadda.

2. Newer trucks are better on fuel economy. Having 100 trucks that are .5 more mpg adds up quick in a year.

3. Most companies lease their rigs not buy. They keep the lease as long as the warranty holds out for. Good for keeping maintenance costs down.