If you HAD TO buy an emissions, pre-2013 truck, what would it be?

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  1. jpeters72155

    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    Hello, we're based in CA and because of CARB, we need to upgrade to 2008 (2007 engine) and newer. So a glider is out and anything below 2007 (2006 engines) needs an aftermarket DPF which I keep reading is a horrible idea. We need to upgrade a total of 5-6 units, about 3-4 day cabs and 1-2 sleepers

    Yes, the emission research says many issues with 2007-2012 trucks, specifically 2007 and 2011 model years but financially, we won't be able to avoid getting at least a couple of pre-2013 trucks. This is after a review of cash flow, income statements and balance sheet. And because of those, we won't be able to get a large loan or line of credit from a bank that would allow us to get all 2013 and newer trucks. And because of the lack of significant equity at this time, the lease companies are unlikely to offer us a full 5-6 set of 2013 or newer units We are working our way out of some really tough times back in 2011/early 2012. So if you had to get one which would it be?

    If I get enough feedback saying to just flat out keep avoiding the pre 2013s (I've read mixed advice on the 2012's) then we'll upgrade slowly and hope that CARB doesn't star dishing out heavy fines. I don't see them doing that but it is late 2014. Btw, I wasn't with the company before or all of this research would have been complete a while ago
    :biggrin_25510: Thank you for your time and help. This forum has been very helpful, I'm definitely thankful guys. :biggrin_25519:
     
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  3. mattbnr

    mattbnr Road Train Member

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    The years your looking at for emissions are probably the worst years. If you have to upgrade then the newer the better because they had more of the bugs worked out on the later emissions. I'd go with the dd15 motor in a freightliner. It's the most reliable. The other manufacturers are way behind in the emission game.
    Volvo is a good choice also as they have been using emissions overseas for years.
     
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  4. gokiddogo

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    I would be afraid to operate a non emission truck in CA ... especially come Jan 1 2015 ... in my mind, they would just show up one day ... state that I have been operating "illegally" (emissions wise) and then say here is your fine, $250,000, or some ridiculous amount.

    I am also looking at getting a newer truck sometime in the next year or so. I already played the emission game and almost went bankrupt in a truck that had caterpillar's attempt to play the emissions game. When I buy something, it will be brand new. Whenever I look over the used units, all I can think to myself is "why did this person get rid of this truck? Has the emissions system crapped out already on them?" That being said, it will likely be a cummins isx15 in a pete 389 ... If I could bring myself to buy a Volvo or something with dd15, I would go that route ... but I want the big shiny truck. In my mind, it is a crapshoot with any of the manufacturers anymore.
     
  5. mattbnr

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    The dd15 has more testing because it's in use by all the major fleets. So problems are found and fixed a lot faster on that breed of motor.
     
  6. Dr_Fandango44

    Dr_Fandango44 Road Train Member

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    I'll concur with the fellow trucker recommending a DD15.
    I got rid of my Pete with an ISX450. No more Cummins for me. I've since found out they're having problems with their engines so why take the risk. Even the recent models are having to be rebuilt after only 200,000 miles. You can bet they want to keep that quiet.
    Volvo are good but very difficult to get parts. The company I'm leased on with have a large fleet and the mechanics are always complaining about parts availability.
    Detroit IMHO have got their act together and Their engines have been designed from the ground up to handle the latest emission standards.
    Good luck.
     
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  7. Ridgeline

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    But gliders are not out, the engine is what they want to be newer, not the truck. YOU can get a glider with a newer engine.
     
  8. jpeters72155

    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    What will happen on Jan 1 2015? I thought the last major CARB deadline for trucks over 26,000 lbs was Jan 1 2014?

    There seems to be a lot of used trucks that are 6 to 3 years old, 2008 to 2011 but I don't know if this is how the market usually is regardless of emissions issues. Does anyone think the used truck market is bigger than usual because of emissions issues?
     
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    Why would you buy a glider with a new engine...
     
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    jpeters72155 Light Load Member

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    Ok thanks for correcting that but newer engines are working alongside DPF and DEF systems so wouldn't you have to put at least DPF system in regardless of the engine year? Then again, CARB requirements say they ultimately want a 2010 or newer engine and don't state anything about a DPF system in 2010 or newer engines. Its as if they thought the 2010 and newer engines were going to have a DPF system built in the engine or so?

    I'll ask CARB about the gliders. Maybe they have something up their sleeve to try to impose regulations on those in a couple years. I just hope they don't say something like "Well sir, at this time we do not have regulations in place for a glider vehicle but that can change at any time." Its like the typical gov response.
     
  11. fuzzeymateo

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    If you buy a glider you will have to put a CARB compliant engine in it. This defeats the purpose of a glider so why do it? You can run a new or 30 year old truck in CA if you want but, the engine must be up to CARB specifications meaning DPF, DEF etc. etc. I believe the engine has to be up to 2007 emissions standards. Gliders are exempt from this in any other state or in other words, they do not have to comply with federal emissions standards as long as the engine in the truck is compliant to the year it, (the engine), was manufactured. California has their own standards. You can't get around it other than to risk the fine and some of these companies have been put out of business for non-compliance.
     
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