if you thought rebuilding a trans was a big job....

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  1. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    It pulls an 8 furrow plow. 6 row x 30" planter, 15 ft drill, 15 ft offset disc, 21 ft tandem disc with rolling baskets. We could also put it on a big square baler if one if the other tractors breaks

    Yes the paint is better than most
     
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    Being in a shed when you ain't using them really helps the paint. Them old 466's always sounded good with a straight pipe to. My neighbors got one I welded up the pivot pin holes last year and rebored. Put axle bearings in the rear, done a little trans work. A range gear and some bearings. Wanted me to overhaul it this winter but I never got to it. It's probably the only 2+2 left in the country. Farming has really exploded the last few years equipment and acreage that one operation farms.
     
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  4. OLDSKOOLERnWV

    OLDSKOOLERnWV Captain Redbeard

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    Wouldn't be surprised to see more of the older tractors rebuilt and put back in the field, with today's prices of equipment. See a few guys still enjoying working the land with Vintage Iron.
     
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    may i ask what is a 2 + 2?
     
  6. 25(2)+2

    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    International made a smaller version of a 4 wheel drive tractor that was articulated(turned in the middle, with 4 equal size tires all set up to drive, it had a narrower track than a regular 4 wheel drive tractor, and could be used for precise row following required by planters and cultivators.

    Case for sure and later CaseIH if memory serves, made a rigid frame 4 wheel drive that pivoted one or both axles to steer, which was called crab steering.

    You could actually pivot both axles the same way so it would work sideways, as well as quick turns pivoting the axles opposite, and easier turns pivoting only the front axle to steer.
     
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    Those rigid frame tractors had a Scandinavian engine in them. High as giraffes stuff to work on. They were real popular pulling dirt pans when that took off in our area big. I think right after Case and IH merged They acquired the Steiger tractor company which headlined their 4 wheel drive line.
     
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    OLDSKOOLERnWV Captain Redbeard

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    J.I. Case had a 1200 series tractor that would crab walk if my memory is right. 6 cyl Case diesel.
     
  9. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    And to think all these years I thought 25(2+2) took his user name from a heavy haul trailer!
     
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    They were basically a row crop tractor with a huge nose. Hard to get used to the feeling when they turn compared to a traditional four wheel drive.

    Ours has the screw turned so far the pipe glows red at night if you work it.
     
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    In addition to what 25(2+2) said, for a brief period in the '80's, IH made a light weight 4wd tractor row crop with the same size tires up front as was in the rear and they called it a 2+2. They seemed to get a reputation for 1) breaking down and 2) being awkward to steer and 3) being ugly.

    1) I think the breakdowns were due to farmers using them as a poor man`s Steiger for heavy tillage work and they were never intended for that.

    2) It did take me a while to get used to steering the thing but once I did, it was my tractot of choice for everything except running down the road. I find them a little squirelly at speed. part of the reason it feels funny to steer is because the cab is aft of the articulation point. The reason the did this is so the row crop implement you are pulling tracks true instead of off tracking like it would behind a Steiger or a Versatile. Also, the rear wheel track exactly in the front wheels tracks so it leaves only two sets of tracks instead of 4. A great feature when cultivating corn and planting.

    3) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and many people think the "snoopy" tractors with the long nose are ugly. Function before form, I say. IH placed the engine directly over the front axle to achieve a 50/50 weight distribution. Even the harshest critics will admit that when everything else is getting stuck, it's time to get Snoopy.

    The nose does take some getting used to. The first time I came to end of the row with the 8 furrow plow I was looking behind me and didn't notice I drove the nose into the dang fence it sticks out there so far. She turns on a dime though.
     
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