Ignition wiring help

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  1. kev2809

    kev2809 Light Load Member

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    well the toggle I put in. friend of mine told me to wire it with those 2 wires and sure enough it worked. but ya, someone has hacked some stuff in here before, but the ignition has always worked ok before this whole debacle. let me ask this though, if I run my volt meter to that small wire on the firewall solenoid, I should see 12 volt while cranking only right? and if do see 12 volt while cranking...what would be the next step? too dark outside now but I can mess with it a bit tomorrow when I get off work
     
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  3. kev2809

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    had a chance to look at it now and that small wire off the firewall solenoid is getting 12 volt when cranking the key...so that doesn't seem to be the problem.
     
  4. Heavyd

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    If you have 12 volts while cranking on that small wire, then your firewall solenoid is toast. If you take a junk wrench, or scrap screwdriver and short out the two big terminals, this will jump the solenoid and cause your starter to crank. This is the final test to show the big wiring and starter is ok.
     
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  5. kev2809

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    ok I will check tomorrow. the other day I jumped the small stud to the 12volt stud with a wire and it cranked, but I haven't tried jumping the 2 big lugs yet
     
  6. kev2809

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    used a screwdriver to jump both big lugs and it cranks. so if the trucks turns on and that little wire is getting cranking 12v, why would the solenoid be bad? is it because I have to use the toggle to crank it meaning something is wrong with the solenoid?

    I can try to swap my new one and see what it does, supposed to be a winter storm coming tonight so we'll see
     
  7. kev2809

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    swapped in the starter solenoid and still have to crank it with the toggle on made no difference. this new solenoid required a ground a wire on the other little stud, other than that it seems the same. back to square one
     

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  8. Heavyd

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    Ok, this is getting a bit odd. If you get power at the small wire when you are cranking, that solenoid should close the contacts to send power to the starter to crank it. There is something we are all missing here with your set up. When you say "crank it with the toggle on", do you mean you are turning on the toggle switch, then crank with the key?
     
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  9. kev2809

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    ok, so lets back up a sec lol. so there's 2 solenoids were dealing with. 1 accessory solenoid under the dash, and 1 starter solenoid under the hood. the accessory one is the one I had to keep replacing for some odd reason. so, pertaining to the under hood solenoid - the small one wire gets 12 volt while cranking. the right side large stud has constant 12 volt. I jumped a wire from small stud to right side large stud, it cranks. I then jumped the 2 large studs with screwdriver, and it cranks. replaced solenoid anyways and no change.

    so inside the truck, I can crank with key and cranks and cranks like it wants to start, but won't. so I wired a toggle switch (momentary) with one side tapped to the BAT wire on the ignition switch harness, the other wire to the ACC wire on the ignition switch harness.. on the toggle switch. in order to turn on the truck, I hold the toggle switch, then crank the key all the way to the right, once it starts I release the toggle switch. this is the only way it turns on. so the toggle basically feeds 12 volts to the ACC wire to crank.

    now, the inside solenoid. on that solenoid, the small stud gets 12volts on key on, and so does the bottom large stud. the top large stud is 12volt constant. so that solenoid seems to be working correctly...but the truck still won't turn on unless im holding the toggle switch (which is BAT+ACC)
     
  10. kev2809

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    soooo, it all sums up to this question, why do I have to feed my acc wire with the 12 volts while cranking to turn on the truck? from the info I'm gathering in this thread, when turning my key to the crank position, it's not supposed to need 12 volt to ACC...but without it (my toggle), it won't turn on.
     
  11. Inderjit

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    When you test the small wire at the firewall solenoid are you disconnecting it? Pull it just far enough off the small stud so you can touch a test light on the stud then activate the starter switch/key and see if you have power. There could be a poor connection somewhere in that circuit. Most test lights don't take much power to illuminate, the solenoid takes a lot more.
     
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