Impaired driving case is union protectionism run amok

Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by Iron Maiden, Aug 3, 2023.

  1. Iron Maiden

    Iron Maiden Light Load Member

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    I never was much of a union man. Never belonged to one. Never felt I needed to. Always felt hard work would be rewarded and, if anything, I would be worse off under a collectively bargained employment agreement. And so far, I think I’ve been right.

    But my anti-union stance has softened of late. We are on the brink of an AI revolution that could render countless jobs and occupations obsolete. And who among us has seen our income keep pace with the cost of living?

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    Maybe there is a place for unions, after all. But then something like this happens.

    A Groupe Robert driver was involved in a crash after pounding back nine – or was it 12, she can’t be sure – beers while behind the wheel of a truck traveling between Montreal and Pennsylvania last June. Hey, I don’t drink like I used to, but I’d lose count after nine beers, too.

    Not that it matters. Everyone knows there is zero tolerance for drinking while driving – in any type of vehicle. We also all know there’s zero tolerance when it comes to drinking and driving a commercial vehicle. The driver involved here was arrested with a blood alcohol level of 0.18 – more than twice the legal limit.

    She was immediately dismissed, as she should be, without question. But an arbitrator has ordered her reinstated after a successful defense by her union. Even when, according to Groupe Robert, “the collective agreement between the company and the union representing drivers is clear: The penalty for drinking and driving is immediate termination of employment.”

    I understand unions have an obligation to defend their members in work-related matters. But to what end? The driver in question drank nine – or was it 12? – beers while behind the wheel of an 80,000-lb. commercial truck. Think of all the vehicles she passed on the highway that night, all the lives she could’ve taken because of her recklessness. The number of families destroyed by no fault of their own.

    Where are their protections? Would the driver be deserving of reinstatement had she caused a fatal collision? At what point does the Teamsters who represents her – or any union, for that matter – say, “Too much. You’ve gone too far. We can’t defend this. We can’t defend you.”

    When does logic step in? Certainly not in this case. I’d like to know who at Groupe Robert wants this person back working among them? Who is the union really protecting here? One individual at the expense of the many. Groupe Robert drivers are good drivers. I share the road with them all the time and feel safe doing so. You think any one of them want her back?

    Her deplorable actions on that night could have cost not only innocent lives, but every single one of those Robert drivers their jobs. This is the type of scenario truck-hating plaintiff lawyers in the U.S. dream about. By sheer luck, the collision didn’t involve any personal injuries or fatalities. Had it done so, even a sizeable company like Groupe Robert could find itself put out of business by a nuclear verdict. I ask again – who is the union protecting?

    I hope the driver in this case doesn’t return to work at Groupe Robert. I hope she gets the help she needs and gets healthy. I hope she decides of her own accord that trucking isn’t the job for her. And I hope unions set reasonable limitations in terms of which actions are worthy of forgiveness and reinstatement, and which aren’t. There has to be a line here somewhere. And if this isn’t it, then where is it?
     
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  3. upnorthwpg

    upnorthwpg Road Train Member

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    That’s #########. Something doesn’t sound right… gotta be details missing.
     
  4. upnorthwpg

    upnorthwpg Road Train Member

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    Just read it. Wow. They should have installed a device? A disease? What a joke. If you have a problem, you get help before you crash, not after. I think the arbitrator was drunk.
     
  5. liner

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    About all the Teamsters are good for anymore and it doesn't surprise me that they would stoop that low.
     
  6. Phantom Trucker

    Phantom Trucker Medium Load Member

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    This has been a hot topic on all the trucking related forums I am on. Everyone is choked hearing the news of this ruling.

    One thing that I find concerning is, this sets a precedence for other lawyers to point to when they’re fighting a similar case. (Which may lead to more outcomes like this).
     
  7. REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    There are laws and the union just makes sure that they are followed. It has nothing to do with ''unions'' per say.
    Without representation we get no protection of any kind.
    Look where the trucking industry is now, complete shambles.
    Why do people blame unions for everything, a union is only as good as the people in it.
    I guess what I am trying to say is the company has obligations to fill and I believe are responsible for SAP for employees in CAN.
    With no representation you are just thrown to the wolves.
    Did the job create the problem?
    Did the employer create the problem?
    Where do we go from here?
    Without ALL the facts this is all just conjecture.
     
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  8. Cat sdp

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    We need a wall on the northern border……most of the carriers that come down here are menaces anyways
     
  9. REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    I agree nothing in, nothing out, I want to see how long it takes to cry uncle.:):rolleyes:
     
  10. REO6205

    REO6205 Road Train Member

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    LOL...Which side would cry uncle first?
     
  11. REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    Well in this case. it's the US vs the world, so the answer is the US would cry uncle first.
    I'm not crying ''put up a wall'' the US is.
    It's 1 of those things that never made sense to me.
    Even if it's ''proverbial''.
     
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