Independant O/O IRP renewal question on 2nd yr estimates

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Hanadarko, Mar 30, 2013.

  1. Jseney12078

    Jseney12078 Light Load Member

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  3. Hanadarko

    Hanadarko Independent Owner/Operator

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    Yea, my base is WI.
    I have been on the phone with some of the reps. Due to a glitch 2yrs ago, I know a few of them rather well.

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    I have submitted the paperwork and now I wait for the invoice. They could not tell me prior, even though I could give them the only 2 states that I had reportable miles in for that time period.

    I probably should have just done 100% estimates. But with it being tied to my IFTA account, I felt that would be a fast track to getting into further trouble with them.

    1st time I got my plate and did 100% estimate for all states?
    $1599 was the bill.

    So Ideally, I should be looking at that cost PLUS whatever else I actually reported in IL/WI for an approximate renewal. Not sure its that simple though...
     
  4. FormerINAuditor

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    I didn't read all the post but thought I could explain how 2nd year estimates work for an IRP application. All jurisdictions with actual miles in the mileage-reporting period are totaled to equal 100%. Each jurisdiction's miles are divided by the total to arrive at each jurisdictional percentage. That jurisdictional percentage is multiplied by the full plate fee for that state. All of those fees are added together for the plate fee before estimates. To get the second year estimates fees for each jurisdictions with no actual miles, the estimated miles from the jurisdictional mileage chart are totaled and added to the actual total miles to arrive at a total. The estimated miles are then divided by that total to arrive that the estimated jurisdictional miles percentage which is then multiplied by the full jurisdictional plate fee. The fees from the estimated miles will be over the original 100%. The idea is that the jurisdictions with actual miles deserve a full percentage of the plate fee with possible jurisdictions getting their money outside of the actual.

    Example: I didn't take the time look up the actual plate fees and MI estimate but it will give you an idea of the setup
    Indiana Actual Miles 30,000 75% x $1600 plate fee = $1200
    Illinois Actual Miles- 10,000 25% x $2400 plate fee = $ 600
    Total Actual------- 40,000 100%------------------- $1800 What the plate would cost without estimates
    Michigan Estimated 10,000 20% X $1500 plate fee= $ 300
    Total --------------50,000 120%--------------------$2100 Fee with estimates paying 120%

    I used to work for Indiana which would determine the estimated mileage charts from the reported average number of miles traveled in each jurisdiction from a previous period divided by the number of registered vehicle. The estimated miles on the chart where times the number of trucks. Certain states had very high estimates such as IL, OH, PA. The farther you moved away from Indiana the lower the estimate, usually. If your truck had a low number of actual miles, the estimated miles would be considerable. A driver could easily double his plate fees. Indiana had a very good system for adding jurisdictions so we usually advised people to only add what they knew they would be using. I don't know how easy it is to add in other jurisdictions or how high their estimated miles are.
     
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  5. Hanadarko

    Hanadarko Independent Owner/Operator

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    Man was that UGLY $$....I'm still waiting on my renewal by the way....
    They got it, but haven't processed it yet...
     
  6. RedForeman

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    That actually tracks with what I'm seeing on my renewal that's due this month. First plates were all estimated miles for 48 states and were about $1600 each. First renewal came two months later, but I dropped to 26 states in my region. Although still all estimated miles since we had only operated for a short period. Renewals were about the same, maybe a small amount less. This year I have 30 states, including four distant ones with estimated but the rest actual. Plates will be about $1150 each this time around.
     
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  7. mhawk

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    I ran into the same issue in MN. I was told by the irp office to use my actual mileage for states I had driven in, and the estimates for the states I hadn't. My plates were roughly the same as the year I used only estimates.
     
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  8. Hanadarko

    Hanadarko Independent Owner/Operator

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    :biggrin_25510:
    This seems so inconsistent it's not even funny.

    The explanation was fantastic (above) but doing LOW miles in just a few states shouldn't impact the IRP cost for 2nd yr estimates.
    I can see doing HIGH miles in just a few states and then still estimating the rest, but if you add traveled miles to the estimates and your traveled is LOW, then theoretically the 2nd yr estimates shouldn't be all that much MORE, presuming this is how they calculate it.

    WI told me the same thing. List actual for traveled in (WI/IL for me) and then estimates for whatever else you still want.
     
  9. mhawk

    mhawk Bobtail Member

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    My actual miles were high in MN and WI. Very low in MI, IL, and IA. And estimates for about 7 other states. It seemed to all work out just fine.
     
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  10. RedForeman

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    In our case, the four estimated states are small values being remote for us in GA (IA, SD, MN, and NE). Only a few hundred miles each against 200k fleet miles actual on two trucks. Our actual miles are on the low side for two OTR trucks, a combination of repair downtimes and running for profit not miles.

    Although what the auditor posts suggests that my lower cost is due to listing and having the majority of miles in states with cheaper base rates. Largely from excluding NY and beyond, along with that big heel shaped state along the west coast.
     
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