Info about backing double on DCL test?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Bobg, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. Bobg

    Bobg Bobtail Member

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    A little background first. I drive four weeks a year for the neighbor during grain harvest. He had a straight truck with a 24 foot box pulling a 26 foot trailer, trailer front axles pivot. WA state is slowly moving toward getting rid of farmer exempt for all trucks and probably will require a CDL in the future. I don't have any problem with that, it gets a lot of the 16 Y/O's off the rode with a semi. I talked to the person giving the written test about how far I would be required to back a set of doubles, since that's the test I'm required to take. She said it all depends on the person giving the driving test and she said it could be any number of them since they just send you to the next one with an opening.

    For those of you that have a license to pull doubles or know what the distance is could you let me know what it is. I can back it up, but the trailer doesn't back the best so I'm going to need to practice.

    Thanks,
    Bobg
     
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  3. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    I don't know of any state that requires you to back doubles.

    Doubles endorsement, is a written exam. Most companies require additional training, but not the states.

    However, if you use the set-up you described to test with. You're only going to make things hard on yourself.
     
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  4. Bobg

    Bobg Bobtail Member

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    danc694u,

    I thought that there was just a written doubles test, but the lady at the DOL said there was a backing test. She could have been thinking of backing with a single trailer. One of the local fertilizer outfits gives the driving test, so I'm going to see if I can find out the info from him.

    The neighbor has an equipment trailer, it has a 20K GVW for hauling his cat that may work for the driving test. I think the GVW on the trailer for a class A is any trailer over 10K.

    Thanks,
    Bobg
     
  5. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Yes, you will have a backing test. Just not with doubles.

    I think you are confusing "doubles" (tractor & 2 trailers) with a simple combination (tractor & trailer).

    The set-up you described, would be the equivalent of backing doubles. Due to the fact it has 2 breaking points behind the truck.

    You'll want a simple trailer hook up for your backing test (one break point). Life will be much easier, for the test.

    Straight line backing test, is generally 90 feet.
     
  6. Wildkat

    Wildkat <strong>Arctic Mistress</strong>

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    Bob...if you have to back up...

    There are basically 3 types of doubles trailers...

    One..B trains that is where the fifth wheel is physically mounted to the front trailer. Those are the simplest to back up...basically it's opposite opposite. So what you do is you look at your last trailer & start backing, then you literally chase it with everything else. You will be making a series of small "S's". The hardest part of doing this is oversteer. You should NEVER move your steering wheel more than 3-4" at a time. If you are using vans or grain trailers to do this carefully watch the corner of the back trailer & if you can see more than a couple of inches of it you have steered too far...then there is no way to "catch up" to the trailer again...the only thing you can do is pull up & start over.

    Two..."A" trains...that is where you have an "A" train converter in the middle of 2 trailers...these are almost impossible to back up straight for more than about 10 feet. It can be done...but it takes EXTREME patience & going no more than walking pace backwards...again you start with your back trailer & chase it with everything else...but now you have THREE articulation points instead of one.

    Three.."C" trains..this configuration is the simplest double configuration to back up as you will have only one articulation point since the converter has a "pin" to lock the turntable on the fifth wheel, so in effect you have ONE very long trailer.

    Hope this helps!

    One of these days I should make a training video...it would be so much easier to explain!
     
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  7. Bobg

    Bobg Bobtail Member

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    The setup he has is a straight truck with a 24 foot grain box, then the trailer hooks to the truck with a pintle hitch and then the front set of axles on the trailer are on a turn table, but it doesn't lock. Is this what's considered a "B" train? I will probably just take his equipment trailer to do the drive test when the time comes.

    Thanks again.
    Bob
     
  8. Bobg

    Bobg Bobtail Member

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    I just glanced at the subject heading it should be CDL not DCL, I really need to re-read my posts before hitting submit.

    Bob
     
  9. Wildkat

    Wildkat <strong>Arctic Mistress</strong>

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    No, that is a set like a gravel trailer that I have seen...this would be like an "A" train. A "B" train, when split apart looks a bit funny as the front trailer has the fifth wheel mounted directly over the wheels of the trailer...you wouldn't confuse it for anything else!
     
  10. Wildkat

    Wildkat <strong>Arctic Mistress</strong>

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    I do that all the time too...good thing there's an "Edit" button!
     
  11. RJwatertown

    RJwatertown Bobtail Member

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    After i passed my road test just to get my class A CDL,I studied the guidebook from the secretary of state for doubles and tankers. When i went into the secretary of state to get my liscence I just had to take written tests. I passed both test and got the endorsments on my liscence without another road test.
     
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