Input needed on crazy idea - trailer apartment

Discussion in 'Questions To Truckers From The General Public' started by Ned, Jan 29, 2010.

  1. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    There re so many advantages to an R/V toy hauler setup . Most Flying J's have a holding tank dump you could access with a toy hauler but not a converted semi trailer . RV parks will be tight and job sites will also be . The length of a road tractor adds considerably to the length .
    You could buy a good used RV hauler for much less than the cost of a new 1 ton . Trying to pass the combo off as an RV not requiring a CDL would be questionable since you are using the trailer for commercial use .However , your own tow vehicle would pay for itself and you wouldn't lose time trying to fit the schedule of someone moving the trailer .
    Could you be sure there was a prepared and accessible site at your new destination ? If not you could run into extra expense while the hauler waited . With your own tow vehicle you could easily park elsewhere until the site was ready .
    Here is an example of a good used hauler although no price is given .



    Freightliner Freightliner FL60 2001

    [​IMG]FOR SALE: 2001 Freightliner Freightliner FL60...
    Air Conditioner
    Power Steering
    Power Windows
    Power Door Locks
    Tilt Wheel
    Cruise Control
    Cd Player
     
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  3. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Power only loads mean that the company is providing the tractor.A simple internet search would give you this

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...Only+Brokerage+Trailer+Transportation&spell=1

    Some move odd equipment(mud tanks,expansion joints for bridges,drill rigs) others are moving tractors and are looking to get paid for the move like a drive away company.The problem with trying to get one O/O to do it is he would have to be a specific power only guy.Or he would have to dead head back to his equipment and you charge would be raised significantly.

    Good luck.And if you would if / when you get it completed post some pictures and a cost analysis.Thanks
     
  4. marmonman

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    I would look into a used furniture van .

    It sets low it has smooth sides put a couple of tip outs on it and you have a real nice pad !

    Put a genset on the truck and you got your power .

    Extend the top deck inside to put your holing tanks under the floor there .

    Put the shop in the back where you got the swinging doors for loading and unloading the work projects the lather over the tandems on the trailer makes for a good ride.

    Sounds like paradise to me :biggrin_25525:
     
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  5. Longhood379

    Longhood379 Medium Load Member

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    Well Ned I can't believe we still don't live in caves with some of the answers you got. My son and I are building a race truck hauler / RV out of a 48 ft dry van. Because decent furnature vans are almost impossible to find here in the GWNW. The suggestions of furnature vans is a good one. if you spend a little more on a van with lots of doors it would be well worth your effort. Rigging the rv part should be easy. Here in Alberta and BC we can run as an RV conversion so the DOT will leave us alone. you may want to check into the rules where you need to run. The van designed for a million miles will be far better than the crap show RV trailer you could buy for twice the money. Look carefully at the construction of a 5th wheel trailer if you choose that route.
     
  6. Ned

    Ned Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the advice, everyone. I will look into furniture vans more heavily- I expect the cost will be somewhat higher. I've seen some cheap ones on this site, but the price for the same year/quality of trailer I expect will be more. Question- what is an 'Electronics' van?

    I am now putting together a big multi-sheet Excel workbook to tabulate possible costs.

    While it'd be neat to have my own truck to pull this around with, the costs associated with that are just too high, and I don't have the training or skill needed to operate a tractor trailer. I've never driven anything bigger than a pickup truck.

    The regulatory issues surrounding this project have great consequence. I've fired off an email to TXDOT to find out what I'd need to do to be legal. Hopefully it won't bother them too much. Is anyone here familiar with this sort of thing?

    My hope is to make it capable of staying put in the same place indefinitely. That means I need to either be hooked up to freshwater/sewer, or tank it out. My thought is to just put my RV-style tanks on a little bumper-tow trailer and tow that to the dump/fill site when necessary.

    If the option of making this whole shebang in a van trailer, my next-best route would probably be a toy hauler fifth wheel. I could take my shop stuff with me with perhaps only some floor modification needed. Toy haulers are so expensive, though, that I'd probably not be able to go that route. We shall see.

    Thanks all for all the advice so far- keep it coming!
     
  7. RickG

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    The FL 60 I posted is typical of many used by retirees to pull RV's . Although the wisdom of letting them drive such vehicles without testing is questionable only a handful of states have a license class for large RV's . These trucks are automatics .
    As far as cost goes get some rates from power only companies for hypothetical moves that would be typical of moves you expect to make . I'm sure they have a minimum charge . The rates will probably be higher than you think because they will have to cover deadhead bobtail costs before and after the move . If you are in remote area you may have a difficult time finding someone willing to make the move .
    You mentioned putting the trailer on jobsites and I foresee problems getting to unknown sites and trying to spot the trailer , particularly in wet weather .
     
  8. Hubcap

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    This is a strange idea. The most expensive piece of overhead at a truck driving school is lodging. Most schools put their students up in motels. I once made the suggestion to an owner that we build a platform to back trailers up to, provide 120 volts AC to plug into and use the trailers we pull as housing for the students. Make them nice with cable TVs in them (and yes you would have to bolt everything down but that can be done) AC units built into where the Thermo King/Carrier unit was but make them as nice or nicer than the seedy motels they had to stay in.

    He thought I was crazy! He asked about showers. I showed him the area behind the classroom that housed 6 shower units that needed cleaned out but were serviceable. He still thought I was crazy. I showed him how much he would save over a year in cost and how much it would cost and the fact that he would only have to do it once and the renovations to the existing trailers would pay for themselves in 6 months...And imagine the joy of backing your apartment in for the night by the students! Pulling your living unit around behind you all day long with all that free advertising on the side of the trailer?

    Nope, he was going to do business the same tired old way every truck driving school had done it for decades.....Wrong, with no consideration of new ideas on how to do things better and cheaper. 53 feet long x 8.5= 405 feet of floor space. Not to mention the floor to ceiling space. If it were mine to do though, I would make it nice for the students. Why not?

    I need to win the lottery or at least have a reality series on TV featuring a truck driving school. But this is coming from someone who thinks a drive in movie truckstop would be kinda cool!
     
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  9. Brickman

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    Thats not such a wild idea. I've got plans in my head for a container shop.


    The problem Ned is going to run into is that RV sites are NOT built with the size requirements that a 53' rig is going to need for maneuverability.
    If he can find a 36' trailer that'll fit much better. I'm not an RVer but the few sites I have been to DO NOT have the room for a 53' rig. No way in hell.
     
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    While I agree with you that its a good idea I'd hate to be the student in school that didn't have his clothes or laptop any longer and no place to sleep because one of the other students rolled the rig while out training for the day.
    It wouldn't cost that much to buy a couple of trailers and convert them. Used older vans are cheap.
     
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  11. Brickman

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    The regulatory issues you'll run into with this set up are low compared to the ones another member was asking about trying to use a tractor for his daily driver.

    Most all of the regs today are designed for the power unit.

    That being said keeping the working parts of a trailer in good repair can be expensive when the time comes to replace them. But you won't be putting on a lot of miles either.



    Seriously dude call 20 or 50 RV sites across the country and ask them if you can park a 53' trailer in their site.

    I'm betting 99.9% will tell you sorry but no. We don't have the room for getting a rig that big around.
    Getting into and out of a parking stall is going to be a huge pain if not straight up impossible. They don't build them big enough for rigs that big.

    I don't want to see you get your heart set on this. Build it all up nice (I believe it can be done) and then not be able to find parking for it and then the unit is worthless.
    I just asked a friend that was in the RV park business for 5 yrs, his dad still owns a park. He confirmed that there are "very few" sites across the country that have the room for a rig this size.
     
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