INSURANCE! - Driver not listed on policy - CLAIM DENIED! Help us protect ourselves!

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  1. Bobby_ADT

    Bobby_ADT Bobtail Member

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    Not negative at all, very fair questions. I thought I had answered most of it already but it must've been across some other posts!

    1) Why so many open claims with 1 insurance company??
    LOL hell if I know, maybe @Hammer166 is on to something! But realistically we do some pretty good volume, Progressive insures a huge chunk of carriers, and they love to drag their feet, so slam-dunk claims take 30-60 days.
    2) Do you do anything to vet your Transporters?
    We check their history and ratings on CD, Safer/FMCSA, and validate insurance.
    3) How long have you been in business that you don’t insure your freight?
    Just finished our 9th month! (We have extensive history with a previous brokerage). We have our own insurance policies and we've been fortunate to not need to hit them just yet.
    4) Have you paid these claims yourself?
    We've paid a few thousand here and there, recouped much of it from the carriers.
    5) Is progressive the only insurance company you have open claims with?
    Not sure what all we have open right now. I don't handle the insurance. Just citing what I know off the top of my head, and this specific post is about one of my orders.
    6) How much volume do you do monthly?
    4k+ cars.
     
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  3. Bobby_ADT

    Bobby_ADT Bobtail Member

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    Not negative at all, very fair questions. I thought I had answered most of it already but it must've been across some other posts!

    1) Why so many open claims with 1 insurance company??
    LOL hell if I know, maybe @Hammer166 is on to something! But realistically we do some pretty good volume, Progressive insures a huge chunk of carriers, and they love to drag their feet, so slam-dunk claims take 30-60 days.
    2) Do you do anything to vet your Transporters?
    We check their history and ratings on CD, Safer/FMCSA, and validate insurance.
    3) How long have you been in business that you don’t insure your freight?
    Just finished our 9th month! (We have extensive history with a previous brokerage). We have our own insurance policies and we've been fortunate to not need to hit them just yet.
    4) Have you paid these claims yourself?
    We've paid a few thousand here and there, recouped much of it from the carriers.
    5) Is progressive the only insurance company you have open claims with?
    Not sure what all we have open right now. I don't handle the insurance. Just citing what I know off the top of my head, and this specific post is about one of my orders.
    6) How much volume do you do monthly?
    4k+ cars.
     
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  5. Ziggy319

    Ziggy319 Medium Load Member

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    Well congrats on 4,000 cars per month as a 9 month old company that is truly amazing. Many others in their vetting require so long in business or so many reviews on cd. Also look to see if all the the reviews are all at 1 time. Usually that is bull poop reviews by friends. And lastly what company are you with. Maybe we can help you in the North East.
     
  6. Bobby_ADT

    Bobby_ADT Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the kind words. Several of us are broker veterans with fairly stout books of business, so when we departed our former brokerage (Wholesale Express), we were very blessed to have a very large chunk of our business follow. My very good friend and owner of the current company and I were the first two employees of Wholesale Express and built it from the ground up. They do 10k+ cars a month after ~4 years.

    We do need to pay closer attention to the ratings. Too many times do we have an issue, small or large, carrier doesnt answer their phone for a week, etc, we check Central for alternate info and notice "Member since Sept 2019" :eek: Rating: 100%....... 2 positives on the same day. Sigh.

    We know what to look for, but we've been slammed and understaffed for a few months, probably working a little too quickly and sloppily.

    Bobby Neal
    Auction Direct Transport - Central Dispatch Profile
     
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  7. Ziggy319

    Ziggy319 Medium Load Member

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    I am familiar with who wholesale express is. I have a couple customers they have targeted in the past.
     
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  8. Bobby_ADT

    Bobby_ADT Bobtail Member

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    It's pretty tough to cut a carrier out, as carrier-direct rates are in theory leaving very little meat on the bone for a broker to pay the bills or take on any risk. At that point its rarely worth the effort, unless the carrier was absolutely thugging the dealer. And if that's the case, it's just a matter of time before another broker or even carrier tests the strength of your relationship.

    Our primary customer base are large single point buyers that buy 50 or 100 single units per month scattered all over the country.
     
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  9. Ziggy319

    Ziggy319 Medium Load Member

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    Brokers are not generally liked by many carriers. Too many bad ones out there. However if you’re quoting and paying fairly you will have carriers.
     
  10. Bobby_ADT

    Bobby_ADT Bobtail Member

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    No doubt. I like to think we have a good understanding that without carriers we don't have much of a business. We pay promptly and have solid carrier relations. We tend to pay slightly above average... Generally more money means mine moves a lot faster than the low ballers, and that means happier dealer/customer. It's all pretty simple when everyone plays fairly.

    We have almost 1,000 positives in 9 months. (notice 3k given :eek:). We're not perfect but we're working towards it!
     
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  11. Doealex

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    We tend to pay slightly above average...

    Just checked 5 of your posts on CD with multiple cars and the rates per mile on them were at least 20% lower than comparable average rates coming and going for areas of your posts. The only post that is comparable (still lower) than average is a load of 4 Nissan NVs which you can’t compare to average car or SUV. That post has been on CD for several days now. Obviously your customers are not in a hurry to move them and want to get it done cheap.

    I never hauled for you but I have for Wholesale Express when they had good rates (usually after several days sitting on a CD).
     
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  12. Tropsnart

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    I loved it when another carrier who posted a load out of Carleton MI told me they couldn't give me a load to Long Island because they require at least 100 positive ratings. Huh? I've never requested a carrier, dealer of broker give me any ratings. Over 20 years experience, 14 years in business, new equipment and still 60 plus all positive ratings. I've brokered to carriers and the minute they deliver they seem to want a positive rating more than a check.
    I've done business with ADT and wouldn't hesitate to in the future as well. In fact I gave them a positive rating for what it's worth.
    The best part is the carrier who denied me the load is that a broker now posts that load almost every week. Only cheaper on the rate. Could've been a win, win. Plenty of other stuff to haul.
     
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  13. Bobby_ADT

    Bobby_ADT Bobtail Member

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    4 Nissan NVs which you can’t compare to average car or SUV.
    • You left out the 200 part. NV200s which are the exact same as a Grand Caravan but 2" taller.
    • We've moved about 200 of those in a week.
    • You're using a 4-pack from Orlando to CA as an example of pricing?
    • When FL has the most pathetic outbound rates in the nation in the fall and winter every single year?
    • Should we pay $1/mile cross-country out of FL like southbound? I just want to make sure we're doing it right.
     
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