Intermittent Engine Brake DD15

Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by Cameo, Jul 18, 2022.

  1. Cameo

    Cameo Bobtail Member

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    I have a 2013 DD15 western star log truck. 18 speed eaton. 16,000 hours on engine. It is deleted and has been for 5 years. I haven’t had any issues until last week. With delete I only have low and medium engine brake.
    Suddenly I have had intermittent low only jake. If I run fan on, after several minutes medium jake will work. If I leave loader after sitting approximately half hour medium works. After fan switched off takes several minutes and medium drops off to only low. Have had it jaking when it kicks out.
    Had only 100 hours since last oil change, so replaced oil and tried adding Lucas oil additives. Pressure was 17psi at idle Hot, 55 psi at 1500 rpm Hot. Now 22 psi and 65 psi. But still acts up. Coolant temp anywhere from 180-220 it will act up. Fan kicks in on own at 220 and off 210. Engine oil temp, will act up 190-230. Can be anywhere in that range and work or not. I can leave fan on for 20 minutes coming out of hills and medium will continue to work. Tried replacing jake solenoids, didn’t fix it.
    Anyone come across something like this? Even a direction to look into? Can’t see any damages wiring.
     
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  3. Antinomian

    Antinomian Road Train Member

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    I had an 09 Cascadia with a DD15. I had a long running issue withe the jakes. One of the things I found out was that the jake solenoids and the fan solenoid shared a common hot lead and were switched on and off by their ground leads. It does sound like a wiring problem. Have you checked for SPN codes?

    How did the delete cause you to only have low and medium jakes?
     
  4. Cameo

    Cameo Bobtail Member

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    The Delete was done before I bought truck. Apparently it uses the egr on top of the jake solenoids to give extra exhaust back pressure for the high setting. Since emission box was removed and egr no longer used, I don’t get High brake.
    I have scanned it, had a Code for engine crankcase breather speed too low. That was only code, don’t have check engine lights on. No other drive ability issues.
    Interesting about shared power…
     
    shatteredsquare Thanks this.
  5. Cooter95

    Cooter95 Bobtail Member

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    I’m currently having the same problem with my 2011 western star log truck had it deleted and have tried just about everything I can think of did you ever come up with a solution?
     
  6. Josemrodr1

    Josemrodr1 Bobtail Member

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    Did anyone ever figure out the problem? My truck is doing something very similar.
     
  7. shatteredsquare

    shatteredsquare Road Train Member

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    do you have any other electrical issues with anything on the dash when the jake acts up?
     
  8. Josemrodr1

    Josemrodr1 Bobtail Member

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    This is the code I get with my otr tool. (spn 3563 fmi 16). And I've changed intake manifold pressure sensor and its still doing the same thing it did not help.
     
  9. Josemrodr1

    Josemrodr1 Bobtail Member

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    No engine codes or anything. My biggest concern is the engine noise I'm hearing once the engine is warmed up. You can hear a loud rattle/echo in the engine and while the noise is present the truck rumbles and lacks power (almost seems deprived of fuel or something) this happens right up until 10th gear and then the noise/rattle goes away instantly and the power is restored. On a cold engine it does not make the sound or power loss at all only when warmed. It's hard to explain but another way to explain is as if there is some type of valve closed until 10th gear and the "valve" opens up and everything is perfectly normal. Is it my turbo? Egr valve? Do these affect the Jake's? I've tested egr actuator and nothing either. No engine lights, no smoke of any color, no fuel loss, turbo spools great, no over heating of coolant or oil. It is beyond me but it's driving me crazy trying to find it.
     
  10. shatteredsquare

    shatteredsquare Road Train Member

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    pull all the switch modules in the dash and in the bunk, pull the switches out of the module and look at the pins and traces.

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    the cascadia bunk switch is right under the bunk AC vent and the module is basically swiss cheese to let in local moisture/condensation. the bunk light switch module is multiplexed into the dash hazard light module, the bunk light switch if shorted will literally kill the jake if you can believe that bs :eek:.

    it's never magic it's always either a connection where there shouldn't be one or missing a connection where there should be. dig in and rip the weeds out

    better to go crazy trying to find it than go bankrupt letting it find you
     
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