International Prosatar/Maxxforce: Worthless junk!!!

All it is missing is some rabbit-fur throws, fuzzy dice and a disco ball.

 

Yea ,Yea, Yea to late to recant now.
What I get from your statement is that you see just fine.///

 

My company has experienced a rash of major problems with the Maxxforce. We had high hopes of avoiding SCR so the Maxxforce was the only choice. We have one Cat and one Cummins Prostars which seem to be fine. Two out of four of the 2011 Prostars with the Maxxforce have been trouble.

However a 2009 Maxxforce 13 totally blew up with a 175,000 miles. International did replace the engine under warranty but was down for about 2 weeks. Two of the 2011 Prostars have been plagued with check engine lights and plugged EGRs and EGR coolers. One is on the third EGR in 85000 miles. It also just had the engine wiring harness replaced. A 2010 Maxxforce cracked a head and burned out an exhaust valve with in 140,000 miles. This truck is down for 2 weeks for that repair. The Maxxforce's also plug up between the radiators causing the engine to run hot and lose power. A big concern is any deer hit will cause substainal damage to the massive radiator/charge cooler package.

We also run Volvos and Macks which have not been free of problems. Once fixed they have fixed we did not experienced the same problems. The International part availablity and tech support is no comparison to Volvo. In many cases it has taken days to get parts from International. Also International's dealer network has a limited number of Maxxforce Techs which makes it hard to get fixed on the road.

It is pretty clear from the number of 2011 Prostars on the Truckpaper International is taking back a large number of trucks that customers are clearly not happy with the down time, performance and fuel mileage. I have heard from others that they will replace 2011's with 2012's if the customer is not happy. I understand International is trying to do the right thing to keep their customers happy but these kinds of problems are very costly to the end user and really question purchasing any more Maxxforce engines given the problems. Our 2008 Volvo with a D12 engine with over 400,000 miles is the most reliable truck in the fleet along with being the oldest and with the most miles.

Sure hope International can finally resolve the issues. The drivers love these trucks because they are quiet and ride well. The 475 hp Maxxforce pulls great when it runs correctly.

 

Am I to understand that Cat and Cummins are what we expect.
International Maxxforece are trying hard and seem to be improving but are not up to scratch yet.
Volvo is best with good back up as well.

 

But MAX Force needs no SCR with MAN PM KAT catalistic covnerter, EGR only!

But in EU D28 with SCR is available (with conventional EGR system). What's more reliable is the quation!

 

well probably scr

man tried to offer egr only called "pure diesel" but they never put them on market for heavy trucks (they suppose to be up to 480hp and 2300nm) 320 360 would be d20 440 and 480 d26

they never put them on market

so egr pure diesel on eu market is only in buses up to 505hp and in small trucks with d08 up to 340hp

 

Just under 27000 with my Maxxforce Prostar (company truck), and I can echo the "gutless" posts. Haven't had it long enough for the buzzes and rattles to start, so can't comment on that. It is a smooth ride, so far, except for the steer axle-hit a bump with that, and it feels like a solid axle.

The controls on the steering wheel are indeed a joke. If they had even put them above the spoke, operation would have been improved 100%, did they even have anyone road test the prototype?

And now, just in the last 4 days, I have had the engine just quit, with no prior warning lights, and put me on the side of the road! The last time on I-35 in Shawnee KS during rush hour. Lots of fun trying to coast to the shoulder, two lanes away, with no power steering! THEN the "parked regen required" lite comes on! Gee, thanks for the warning. Yeah, and it WAS in the International shop for the first time it quit, and they "updated the software, everything should be OK now".

We'll see how it runs now, but I am not optimistic. What a shame, but like many have said-just look under the hood. It doesn't look like a truck engine, it looks like something out of the Space Shuttle. I used to be able to look at a truck engine and tell you what 98% of the components were, with this engine, maybe 10%.

####, truckin' used to be FUN. Just a job now, and not a very good one, at that.

 

bringin back old thread. noticed the truck im using 2011 international prostar with maxxforce the weak engine brake only comes on when i hit my brakes. it doesent come on when i take my foot off the fuel pedal. only comes on with brake pedal pusheD?? is there something bootleg bout that?

 

Why don't navistar offer the CAT trucks we have in aus. Pretty much a prostar with a few tweaks running c15's. At first it was a joint venture between CAT and navistar with CAT buying the chassis and cab and building the rest themselves but navistar have now bought CAT out. From all reports i have herd they are pretty good trucks. They meet euro 5 with just duel passive dpf's no scr or egr.

http://australia.cat.com/on-highway-truck

 

Only motor now worth anything is the cummins and they aren't great