Intrastate permits

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  1. DSK333

    DSK333 Road Train Member

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    It gets to the point of ridiculousness if you're doing intrastate in neighboring states that both require their own authorities. MD and PA also require their own registrations as well when using their respective authorities. So if a truck is based in either state and runs a DOT number in both states it is also required to run a plate for each state simultaneously. Crazy seeing PA and MD plates side by side on the same bumper of the same truck at the same time.
     
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  3. KANSAS TRANSIT

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    Just a heads up, Kansas has started enforcing an Intrastate program, 250.00 a year and you HAVE to attend a state sponsored seminar, about 6 hrs.
     
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  4. brian991219

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    That is called dual registration, and it isn't just PA and MD, Ohio also is starting to crack down on running PA base plated non-apportionable vehicles in intrastate operations. Now, if the vehicle is apportionable in your base state then a single IRP plate is the way to go. Keep in mind not all states will apportion a vehicle under 26,001 pounds.

    Also, with dual registration some local police in western PA are cracking down even on pickup trucks and other vehicles under the threshold for a DOT number but still used for business citing the PA dual registration requirements for any work truck.
     
  5. DSK333

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    MD and PA both require a vehicle to be registered in their respective states for intrastate commerce. Hence the two state tags.
     
  6. NightWind

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    In my home state of Alabama in order to legally load and unload the same load within the state borders you are required to be registered with the Alabama Public Service Commission and they issue you a registration number that is supposed to be on your truck. They have special state troopers called PSC troopers but any trooper can ask for your APSC registration and issue a ticket IF you don't have one. It doesn't matter to the state that you have interstate authority they want to see the intrastate APSC numbers on the truck
     
  7. TallJoe

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    From my observations the intrastate permits would come handy for OH, TX, CA...anywhere else I would not bother. I have it only for IL, but that's where I live. I am sure many doing intrastate loads don't even know about the need of having the permits, also the enforcement for it seems low, so most get away without having it.
     
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  8. Brettj3876

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    Puc in pa will get you. Public utilities commission is what it stands for I think. Anytime you pick up and drop off in the state they get their cut. They also can do truck inspections just like dot does.
     
  9. brian991219

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    Yes the good old Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission, they take 1% of all intrastate transportation revenue as an assessment. Pennsylvania conciders for-hire trucking companies to be public utilities.
     
  10. BoyWander

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    Just wanted to point out for those curious about interstate vs intrastate and why it's different.

    The federal government regulates trade between states under the interstate commerce clause in the Constitution.

    Commerce Clause - Wikipedia

    The point is that since the states have authority to make their own laws that aren't enumerated in the Constitution, trade between the states would be a complicated thing to deal with. Imagine if every state had their own taxes that an out of state carrier had to pay every time they did business in that state. So when you take a load.from one state to another,.you don't need authority to.operate from each state. One federal authority is good. But from taking a load from and.to the same state, is not covered under interstate commerce. You'd be acting as a carrier who does business solely in that state and thus subject to that state's business regulations.

    Similar to how a US carrier can take a load into Canada and then a load back out, but can't pickup and deliver inside Canada. Because the carrier doesn't have Canadian authority. Some Canadian carriers have authority in both countries.

    Just wanted to simplify it.

    I don't think most states really care a whole lot, but technically you'd probably be violating a state's regulation if you picked up in IL and delivered in IL. And for brokered loads, I think a brokerage should be fined if they contract an intrastate load to a carrier that does not have authority in that state. But I've never had a broker ask "hey do you have intrastate authority for (this) state? If they had to.find an intrastate carrier, most likely the rate would go up because not just any carrier can take it. But how often is this ever enforced?
     
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